In the original, rat pack, Ocean’s Eleven the thieves get away with it but lose the money anyway. Kind of a mixed bag, I guess.
DD
How about the Donald Sutherland movie Don’t Look Now, where
he catches the serial murderer (who he thought was his daughter) by surprise, but gets his throat cut as a reward?
Which argument? The one that the bad guys won or the one that they didn’t win?
Assuming the latter, I simply feel that there is no other way out for Sam. He’s not going to change the world. He gets away the only way he can, to a place where they can’t touch him.
Vanishing Point.
Amen Brother! I Love that movie! Linda Fiorentino is so deliciously evil!
E3
What about The Way of the Gun?
I seem to remember the two guys bleeding to death at the end. I don’t think they survived. Actually, there really wasn’t a good guy (kind of like Payback) so it was more like nobody won, but it was entertaining none the less.
No qualifications, no equivocations: the bad guy wins in Colossus: the Forbin Project. It’s 30 years old, so I’m not spoiling anything when I say the heroes try everything they can to defeat Colossus, but for a change the bad guy is just too powerful.
Ah, remember the good old days when downbeat endings were the norm in SF/fantasy (i.e. “You maniacs! You blew it up!”)?
Has anybody mentioned The Parallax View yet?
The implications are that the bad guys won in Gone With the Wind and in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, it is pretty obvious that the bad guys won.
And in Snatch…hell, I never know who the good guys and the bad guys are in that film.
And in Freddy Got Fingered, the bad guys definitely won. They got my money for that piece of #@&%*!
A Fish Called Wanda. Not only do John Cleese and Jamie Leigh Curtis successfully escape with the loot (we were rooting for them anyway), but even the villainous Otto escapes to become a chief of security in some repressive regime. (I think Michael Palin’s character also ends up doing OK.)
Body Heat – Kathleen Turner clearly got away with it at the end of the movie.
Chinatown – I know someone already mentioned that one, but it is one of my favorite movies.
One of my favorite movies and performances.
The scene at the end where she
burns the fake mailbox label, the only piece of evidence linking her to the setup, while riding in a limo is a classic.
She’s always one step ahead.
*Carlito’s Way *
- Black Hawk Down *
Primal Fear
12 Monkeys
If you keep watching 12 Monkeys over and over again, do the good guys eventually win?
Only in the sense that a cure is able to be developed for those in the future due to cole’s actions.
5 billion people still die in 1997, no matter what happens. That the point of the film. You can’t change the past, only the present.
Movies not yet mentioned…
*Soylent Green
The Others
A walk in the woods / Evil Dead
The Empire Strikes Back
Carrie*
I’ll come up with more later - it’s 5 am.
And i’ll have to disagree on movies where the hero is an anti-hero. A ‘bad’ good guy is still the good guy. Also gonna vote no on movies with no real discernable good guys. This means i’m gonna have to put in a ‘no’ vote for:
*Snatch
Lock, Stock and Two smoking barrels
Memento*
LOL - AND i’m gonna throw in my no vote for movies where no one really ‘wins’… this includes:
Any slasher flick
the Alien series
Chinatown
Finnally I must add that in Heat the bad guys most definately do NOT win. Unless you count dying or losing everything you love as winning. Sure, Kilmer gets away, but at what cost?
I just watched Empire and the bad guy’s don’t win. The whole point of freezing Han was to get at Luke, and while Darth does manage to lop off his hand he winds up not accomplishing anything in the end. At best it’s a stalemate.
- Dr. Strangelove * ends with a rather lose-lose situation. So does Fail-Safe.
Paths of Glory ends pretty badly.
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20,000 leagues under the sea * if you consider Nemo the good guy.
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The Alamo *
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American History X * definatly.
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Bandits *
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The Seventh Seal * as only Death seems to win.
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Casino Royale * turns out pretty bad for all invovled.
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The 9th gate * implies evil winning.
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Jeepers Creepers* Though, then again, I was kinda rooting for a demon at the end because the kinds were so fricken mornonic.
Bordello of Blood. After all that vampire fighting, Angie sticks her fangs into Dennis’ neck just before the credits roll.
Lucky, lucky man.
Angel Heart: THE bad guy wins!