It would not ignite at all – at least, not if you use a cigarette lighter. It’s jet fuel, not gasoline.
What was the Large Gaping plot hole you mention?
Actually, I was hoping the astriod would hit too, but for the different reason that Hollywood never has the guts to make any super bad endings.
My Pick:
Alien 3.
The entire movie is based off of a plothole large enough to Drive the Nostromo though.
Namely: How did the Alien eggs get on the Sulaco before they left LV-426 in ALIENS? The Alien Queen didn’t carry them up there and she doesn’t look like she could lay eggs with her Huge Sac.
I normally get upset by this kind of idiocy in movies, but in ALIEN, they had decent reasons for the most part.
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When Brett goes off and gets killed, he’s looking for the cat (so the cat won’t set off the motion sensor again). He probably isn’t worried because the last time they saw the Alien, it was pretty damn small. They were mainly concerned with catching it, not killing it. They had no idea it had grown and was so deadly until after it kills Brett.
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When they find out it has grown, They figure it has been using the air vents to move around. They seal those off and decide to flush it out into the airlock and then into space with the flamers. The captain insists on going in himself. If anything, this is the biggest thing I have issues with(besides the captain going off the ship in the first place into a potentially lethal enviroment) in the film. Then, of course, he gets killed when it sneaks up behind him.
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The final time they seperate. One goes to turn off the cooling units for the engine/reactor to make the ship blow, while the others go to get coolant for the shuttle’s Life support system so they can survive until they get picked up. Perhaps they figured it was better to seperate since the thing couldn’t be two places at once and they weren’t even sure it could be killed with the flamers.
Actually, they do have a general idea, but the woman operating it begins panicing, which doesn’t help matters at all. And remember, they were trying to find it, not avoid it. They wanted to flush it out the air lock.
You’ve got a point about them never using the thing again, though.
The subject of andriods never came up until they “killed” ash. They didn’t even know they had on the ship, so why would they need to mention it? Does it make the character less credible because he’s suddenly a robot and not a human being as you suspected? Does it alter the fact he’s lying to everyone from the start and was planted to protect the alien?
The andriod is not a plothole.
If you want a plothole, I’ve got one for you. Where the hell did the Alien get the energy to grow that big in so short a time?
What’s the obvious solution you allude to? They tried catching it (until they realized it had grown), killing it (Until Dallas was killed), and then finally decide to blow up the ship and leave the alien behind.
All Brett had when he died was a cattle prod. Somehow I doubt that would have stopped it even if it hadn’t caught him by surprise from behind.
Dallas was trying to escape and was taken by surprise from behind. He didn’t have time to shoot it. The person reading the motion tracker from outside was panicing and not helping him know where it was coming from.
Lambert and Parker were occupied when it snuck up behind them. It approachs Lambert, who freezes up with the Deer in the Headlights look, and Parker doesn’t want to shoot for feel of killing her by mistake (Remember him telling her to get out of the way?). He tries to rush it(stupid, I know) but it knocks him down and finishes both of them(I don’t think she had a weapon).
When Ripley saw it…I don’t know with the deal with that is. Perhaps she didn’t believe it could be killed?(Ash said it couldn’t be, and he knew more then she did, so she may have believed it). She was just scared too much to do anything but run? She was afraid of killing her cat as well who was right next to the Alien?
I somehow doubted they planned for the ship to get blown up. They probably just expected to lose the crew and when it arrived back at Earth or a Search and Rescue team found it, they could then figure out some way to catch it and (from their point of view) develop it as a biological weapon.
And then there was Special Order 937 which read:
Retrieve Lifeform.
All other priorties secondary.
Crew Expendable.
I would take it that the Cargo of the Nostromo would fall under the 2nd line.
I assume they have a little invention called Oxygen Generators and Atmospheric filters. That and it seems like they would spend 95% of any particular voyage in hypersleep, so I doubt smoking is really gonna be a problem for so short a time.
Superman doesn’t cause the Earth to rotate backwards. By flying fast enough, he breaks the time barrier, and he travels backwards in time. While he is traveling backwards we see the Earth seeming to turn backwards because that’s how it would look to someone for whom time had been reversed.
And it doesn’t contradict the speed needed to reach the missles, either. Supes has to catch the missles while in the atmosphere, which creates drag that limits his velocity. Later, he leaves the atmosphere. With no force (atmospheric drag) to limit his acceleration (except relativistic limitations, which obviously are not part of the physics of this universe) he can continue to accelerate to the speed of time unimpeded.
IMO, a plot hole is an inconsistency in the internal logic of the film. A flawed or implausible premise is not a plot hole unless said premise is dealt with inconsistently.
For example, in Independance Day, the computer virus written on the iMac is listed as a plot hole. It isn’t. The aliens tied their computers into Earth’s early in the movie so that they could use the satellite system to coordinate the attacks. Jeff G. wouldn’t have to develop a way to interface the software because the aliens had already done it for him. A deeply flawed premise, yes (the aliens use the earth satellites to get around line of sight transmission problems; they have plenty of ships to form a network that would render this unnecessary), a plot hole, no.
Also, the never noticing not being sick or injured isn’t a plot hole in Unbreakable–if it’s a problem (IMO, it isn’t really; never having been sick or injured would just be just normal life for Willis; people tend not to notice the ordinary) it is another example of a flawed premise.
On the other hand, the ending of Frequency is a plot hole, because it contradicts the rules by which timeline changes work set up earlier in the movie.
here’s my view on this fwiw. Once we accept the premise that a single person exists who has been uninjured for 40 years and never noticed (or was in serious denial, viz. the car accident scene) then perhaps it becomes possible that there is a subset of folks like this scattered all over the world. Given the pop density of large urban centres in the US it’s not totallly out to lunch that there might be more than one around. so, the odds of finding a single bruce willis type are still very very small , but still better than if Bruce were the ONLY one.
Like SLJ says, it’s a spectrum. After all, there is probably more than one person on earth with osteogenesis imperfecta, right? (again, setting aside the notion that the existence of a crippling disease IMPLIES the existence of invulnerability, which looks a bit dopey when held up to the light)
I still thought it was a pretty good film if ponderously SLOW in places. The part that I could not shake loose from my head was, how could he avoid finding out nasty truths about, e.g. his wife or his son (spanking the monkey to the Sears catalog) or his co-workers. How could he tune out the low level noise of the really petty stuff? No-one is a perfect innocent…I would think that the number of incoming signals would snap him right down the middle.
Unless of course there is some threshold “value” of crime below which he gets no vibe. But is this based on his own morality? What if the setting got screwed up so that he only got the vibe from, say, committers of genocide? So standing near for example Milosevic or Mugabe would give him a flash… It’s a dumb example but hopefully you see the point I am trying to illustrate.
ah, whatever, it’s just a movie.:rolleyes:
Perhaps, but even if this were the case then intentionally acting to destroy the universe would surely still be a sin.
No it couldn’t. Absolution is not amnesia.
I haven’t seen the movie so it’s possible that Kevin Smith really does provide a decent explanation for his apparent mangling of Catholic theology, but if so I’m surprised that no one here has managed to say what it was.
In regards to The Matrix, why didn’t they just use cows or some other less intelligent, and hence, easier to control creatures for energy rather than humans?
Well, logically it would just make for a crappy movie, though I would be interested in seeing cows learning to fly helicopters whilst wearing high-fashion clothes and shades. (Morpheus - “I can’t answer the cell phone! Damn my lack of opposable thumbs!”)
But as far as covering the hole in the story, remember the amount of religious overtones used in the story. Would the AI destroy the creator? Given the chance, would it be more attractive to enslave God rather than destroy God? Think of the ego boost inherent in having God as servant.
The original King Kong is easily one of the finest movies ever made, but one of my friends brought up a plothole that’s bugged me ever since.
Ok, you’ve got a small tribe of natives living on an island that is infested with prehistoric monsters. So the natives build a big ass fence. And this is no simple spite fence. It’s an impressive feat of engineering. Obviously, these natives are pretty smart guys.
So why did they build a big ass door in the big ass wall???!!! It’s not like they’re gonna invite Kong in for the holidays! You ever see a cop kick in a wall? No! They go for the door!!! Which is what Kong does! All you need is one tiny door! Hell, make 'em French doors if you wanna show off!
And why not simply take your engineering skills and build a big ass boat and leave??? Do you really wanna raise your kids on a place called Skull Island? You’d be better off on Molokai with the lepers!
But, other than that, I adore this film.
From The Simpsons;
Karl: Hey, I heard we’re goin’ to Ape Island.
Lenny: Yeah, to capture a giant ape.
Karl: I wish we were going to Candy Apple Island.
Charlie: Candy Apple Island? What do they got there?
Karl: Apes. But they’re not so big.
In Die Hard 2, the whole plot depends on there being so much snow at that precise time that aircraft would have to be IFR, and that the snowstorm was so bad that it would cover all alternates. Yet it was planned weeks in advance.
As someone else mentioned, every aircraft on the ground plus half the private pilots in the airport would have had a radio that could talk to the airplanes.
A large passenger jet has enough fuel to divert to Florida from Washington Dulles. Once there was even a hint of terrorism at that airport, every jet would have broken off and gone elsewhere.
And this is a classic ‘plot hole’ - in one scene, a reporter on the scene looks up in the sky and says, “I can see the jets circling overhead.” Uh, hello? If you can see them, they can see the ground…
I figured they were afraid that someone would come looking for the money if they knew what happened to the guy.
I think they used that effect in the movie way too much
By the third time they do it your like" what? again" ?
“The speed of time”? Exactly how fast is that? One hour per hour? Or faster…one year per year?
Virtually every John Grisham-based movie has the same basic plot hole, but I’ll stick to one, “The Client,” because it annoyed me so much.
The movie ends with the kid testifying against the Mob, and getting put into protective custody… whcih is EXACTLY the same deal he could have gotten from the authorities in the first 10 minutes of the movie, if he’d just told the truth right away!
Of course, if you just do the right thing immediately, there’s no movie, is there?
OK, The Terminator.
Arnold as the killer cyborg from the future. He can’t bring a ray gun with him, but his own high tech endo-skeleton is fine. Reese says “It has to do with the field generated by a living body.” But Arnold has no trouble cutting out his own eye with an Exacto knife.
So why piss around with the crude weapons of our day? Why not just implant a ray gun in his belly, let him go to the past, and then cut out the ray gun and zap hell out of John Connor?
Not to mention sometimes getting blasted by a shotgun makes the Terminator blank out for a few seconds (the scene in the nightclub where Reese and Sarah Connor hook up), and sometimes he can get blasted all over and not blink an eye.
Regards,
Shodan
How is that a plothole? Sounds to me like it was just a foolish move on the kid’s part. People do foolish things all the time.
- How did the One escape, even once he had broken free of the Matrix? After all, he would be so physically weak, that he would probably either have died on his own or been killed by the machines by the time that he could figure out a way to get back in and free someone.
- What’s stopping the machines from monitoring the very thoughts of the humans inside the Matrix? If the machines have such advanced control over the human mind, by now they should be able to interpret it. To me, it would seem that any humans planning anything against the machines could be easily detected based on their thoughts.
- What’s stopping the machines from hacking the access codes to Zion themselves?
- Why can’t Agents manipulate the Matrix? Couldn’t they at least signal to whatever is controlling it to trap humans behind an instantly appearing brick wall or something of that sort?
- Why didn’t the machines isolate the humans in their own virtual reality realms, consisting of simply a void, with nothing but some sort of physical sustenance. If this were the case, humans would probably die of shock if ever they were free, nor could they ever comprehend a description of an outside world, they would have no frame of reference.
-That’s all I can think of for the time being.
Pitch Black
This movie drove me so crazy, I’ve been driving other people crazy telling them about how stupid it is.
A planet that has no night for 23 years on end somehow manages to evolve countless ravening creatures that only come out when it’s dark???
But what really got me ranting:
You and about 10 other people are shipwrecked on a planet with a convicted remorseless psychopathic murderer. You don’t know how long you will be marooned, possibly for the rest of your lives. Resources are scarce. You decide not to execute the psycho–possible, just possible. Polls of my family and friends come down on the “execute the bastard” side of the scenario, but there are a squeamish few.
But you, the marooned unfortunates, decide not only to let him live, but to release him from his restraints and go free, because why???
I think the decision was actually made unilaterally by one guy, but that guy was the bounty hunter. How did it make sense for him to let him go?
I think I’m gonna post this hypothetical situation to Great Debates.