Moving Isreal

I have spoken to my friends in the Q Continuum. They are able to do this but frankly don’t care enough to bother. One Q in particular however is willing to assist in exchange for a handjob from a certain winsome starship captain.

Tell him George Takei is married.

When all the good questions are taken, only the silly ones are left.

@Everyone:

I tried not making my question too political or religously motivated and found many of the answers entertaining as well as informative.

It would be great if everyone in the world could get along and not have war, but I feel that is against human nature. We always seem to be competing for something, be it land or resources.

The mention of Europe was not intended to be snarky, I was just the closest place to come to mind that would be easy for them to get too. Apparently my 6th grade Geography failed me.

What the Swedes lack in conventional humour, they make up in bleak, soul-sucking depression. I never knew a Swede who, given a winter evening and a generous supply of Aquavit, couldn’t make young Werther look like My Little Pony on a sugar high. And that oughta count for something.

[Mad Hatter] Change places! [/MH]

National Chinese fire drill!

But this was the result of a massive migration from Europe to Palestine following the holocaust.

1850 about 4 percent of the population was Jewish
1914 about 7.5 percent of the population was Jewish
1920 about 11 percent of the population was Jewish

League of Nations’ Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine (1920) stated “the Jewish element of the population…Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.”

I don’t really see how it matters, but in any case, the assertion being rebutted was that prior to 1948 there were very few Jews in the area. It doesn’t matter if they had all shown up in the preceding 100 years; after all, it’s not like Jerusalem is some mythical city and its present location is based on guesswork.

You’re conveniently overlooking the massive waves of immigration in the 1920’s and 1930’s, not to mention the natural growth that occured during that period (most of the Jews who fought in the Israeli War of Independence had been born in the Mandate). Only a handful of Jews actually moved to the country between 1945 and 1948.

And if almost all Jews immigrated after 1880… so? What difference does that make?

@ Odaran09: You live somewhere. Perhaps you’ve lived there much of your life.

Would you be willing to pick up and move somewhere else purely to satisfy a disgruntled neighbor? I didn’t think so.

Now magnify the simplistic question by a zillion times. The answer probably will still be no.

I do understand what you are saying, but if the disgruntled neighbor is shooting at my front door every week or so and once in a while grazes me, I would either try to take out the neighbor myself or get out of there. We see how the retaliation thing is going.

So if someone comes up to me and tells me they have a new place to live where the neighbors might not like me there but are not constantly shooting at me and they will pay for the move, I might be more inclined to go.

Aside from the mild inconvenience of there being no “new place to live”*, what happens in your scenario if all those people are not “inclined” to pick up and go?

*although I suppose there are a lot of countries that would put up the Israelis temporarily until we figure out who’d be willing to take them. There’s the problem of where to store all their stuff, but I hear these nice people might be willing to help.

Your slander of Janeway shall not go unanswered.

I figured it was Q/Picard. Q was totally ga-ga for Picard.

I think Q merely liked making Picard feel uncomfortable. (And he had an ulterior motive for that.) He clearly wanted to jump Janeway’s bones. Which made sense, as 90s-Mulgrew was hot.

ETA: Sorry for taking this so far off topic. I’ll shut up on the issue on this thread.

I think we can say with reasonable confidence that Israel has not begun to “retaliate”. If Israel seriously decided to try to “take out” one or more of their neighbor countries, they might not succeed, but I’m certain there would be a great deal more glass in the middle east than there is currently.

I dunno - I’m partial to Picard’s “The line must be drawn HEE-AA!!” speech from First Contact, myself.

Anyway, I’ve been trying to understand the logic of people like the OP, and I think I’ve figured it out. It goes something like this: Jews live in Israel. Jews also live elsewhere in the world. Therefore, the Jews can move from Israel to elsewhere in the world, and it wouldn’t be that big a deal.

The problem with that is that it’s based on an incorrect assumption: namely, that we’re “Jews living in Israel”. We aren’t. We’re Israelis. We may have a certain connection to diaspora Jews, but we’re not them, and they’re not us.

Hmm, I would have thought the logic (so to speak) was “Israel wasn’t always there - all* those Jews just rolled in and took over a few decades ago. If they could move once, why not again?”

The obvious response to this, of course, is “the USA-ans are inconveniencing the native american indians. Heave-ho!”

  • or most of them, whichever.

Wait a second… you have Jews in Israel? :eek:

But that would be implying that the descendants of immigrants are somehow second-class citizens. Nobody here would dare say something like that.