Mr. Clothahump, if you will

[Clothahump]

@eulalia

You put iiandyiiii on ignore? He’s one of the nicest, most patient posters here! Why do you bother posting here if you ignore people like him? Who’s not on your list?

I put him on ignore because he acted like a total asshole to me. I don’t that kind of aggravation or bullshit in my life.

[iiandyiiii]

@Clothahump

I put him on ignore because he acted like a total asshole to me.

Cite?

[Clothahump]

@Not_Carlson

Ignore is the root of ignorance.

True. It is also the root of ignoramus, which is the first person plural present tense if the Latin verb ignorare, and it means “we ignore”. In modern English, an ignoramus is defined as an extremely ignorant person. Ignoramuses go on my ignore list.

See how easy that was?

[Guest-starring_Id]

Oh well - twice I tried to go to bat for ya, i.
I don’t think it’s gonna happen, so unless if I actually do see a response, I’m done here.

[Not_Carlson]

@Clothahump

See how easy that was?

Aparently a lot easier for you than actually addressing the issues put to you with honest and logical responses.

@Skywatcher

I’d like to see a response to this, also from a locked thread.

Originally Posted by Left Hand of Dorkness

**Bone
Sam Stone
Bricker
John Mace **(he disagrees, but too bad)
XT
Martini Enfield
PunditLisa

These are some of folks around here whose positions are far more conservative than mine, but with whom I can generally carry on a civilized, rational debate; I recognize that they reach their different positions not out of ignorance, but out of some different principles and a different understanding of the implications of the facts.

Which leftists on the board do you think can carry on rational debate?

@Superdude

Point of order, Clothahump:

I’ve posted on this board for over 15 years. Over that time, I’ve had the opportunity to see scores of interactions between you and other posters. At no time have I seen you engage, or attempt to engage, in anything even approaching civility. You don’t debate, you insult. You characterize anyone disagreeing with you as stupid. You consider yourself as intellectually superior to just about every other person who posts here, yet when an assertion of yours is challenged, you either resort to insults and condescension, or you abandon the thread, never to return to it.

If you feel like you’re an unfair target in your interactions, you might want to admit that at least part of the problem is that you engage in dishonest debate tactics.

@iiandyiiii

I’m still curious if Clothahump still uses ethnic slurs, or still thinks it’s okay to do so, or if he’s changed his mind. The first time I challenged him on this he didn’t respond honestly, but I’m still curious as to his actual thoughts.

@kayT

I don’t understand how anyone of any political position can fail to see that saying “every time” and “all liberals” and “automatically” is going to be wrong. How can anyone defend saying “all liberals” as “obviously true”? Is this someone who doesn’t understand the meanings of words?

@Superdude

But it’s more likely that it’s not them or you being the asshole, it’s them and you. It seems like you’re saying that you’re squeaky clean in those conversations. I can assure you that you’re not. It’s somewhere in the middle.

@Skywatcher

In one of those locked threads, I tried pointing out the dichotomy between wanting “a rational debate” and slowly putting on ignore any and all ideas that he finds inconvenient. If he doesn’t get banned first, he’ll eventually only see posts by himself and his fellow Trump supporters.

How can one have any sort of debate when the only posts one really pays attention to agrees with one?

@Evil_Economist

Clothahump, could you link to a single post of yours where you responded in a reasoned manner to a liberal about any political issue ever?

@Budget_Player_Cadet

So you wouldn’t mind if, say, someone printed these posts out and mailed them to various parents of students at your dojo? “HURR DURR I USE RACIST SLURS. GET OVER IT LIBTARDS”. I think you’d mind quite a lot. Because this shit ain’t okay in polite society, because being a racist shitbag is generally frowned upon. I think you know that. Talk about a keyboard warrior, huh? Go ahead, call your mexican students “wetback”, see how long that goes well for you.

[QUOTE=SaneBill;20113154
He’s on of the bitterest people I’ve encountered. I think he’s been ( like we all ) very hopeful of his futute when young, but things haven’t gone as he expected. And the conservative way of thinking is that everyone is shaping their own fate ( and luck or other people have nothing to do with it ).
So who’s to blame? Himself? Never, it always must be somebody else. The job he lost, the girl he lost, the deal, whatever… all caused by envy, jealousy, nepotism etc. of other people.

. . . . . .

He stays here because he needs you to berate and mock him. He needs to feel he’s under attack and that people are sabotaging his life. 'Cause the other option would be admitting that he is a loser. And that is a thing he will never admit. So he fills his world with enemies and puts up a heroic fight in his mind. . . .[/QUOTE]

@Knowed_Out

But to conservatives, ideology comes first and facts come later, if absolutely necessary. Giving consideration to counter arguments weakens your resolve and risks making you different. It’s best not to question your rock solid values or waste your time looking for flaws. When liberals challenge your reasoning, it means they’re trying to dismantle the Christian and patriotic values that made this country great! Can’t have that.

It’s understandable, because facts are confusing. One crack in fundamental logic leads to more questions, and many of those are unanswerable. It’s better for your mental health to constrict your thinking to a microcosm that others of a like mind can share. You just won’t find them here.

Since you’ve been here for 17 years, you should know that by now. So why do you stick around? Maybe it’s because you actually enjoy the fighting.

@raventhief

I honestly do not understand what Clothahump sets out of this message board if the armchair analysis upthread is so wildly off-the-mark. We are all horrible people who are horrible to him, and his ignore list is blocks-long. Why even post here?

I post here because I like the community - not everyone but most.

@Bryan_Ekers

On the remote chance I’m not on his ignore list:

Clothahump: out of curiosity, what do you consider your finest moment on this board, in terms of the time you best presented your position in a logical, fact-supported manner? A simple link will do.

@Not_Carlson

Post 193 is the summarization of the very point of this attempt at discussion with you.
**The point being: if you can acknowledge that your post in the original pit thread was absolutely unjustifiable and that the flack you caught for it was deserved (and I’m not sure you’ve actually admitted this to yourself), then you should try to realize that it’s not just this one instance, but applies to your general behavior on this board and explains why you are held in such low esteem here. **
But if you can’t parse that, then maybe just consider the final question. . .

@Not_Carlson

Do you even have an interest in belonging to this community?

@eulalia

You put iiandyiiii on ignore? He’s one of the nicest, most patient posters here! Why do you bother posting here if you ignore people like him? Who’s not on your list?

@Eddie The Horrible

This is the question from iiandyiiii:

“Do you similarly think that anyone criticizing someone for using ‘nigger’ or ‘kike’ is ‘whining’, a ‘snowflake’, and should ‘get a life’?”

(My bolding.)

Clothahump, you have a tendancy to say “one has only to look at the responces in this thread to see that I’m right” and then pick out what you interpet as personal attacks on you.
The above are what I see when I look through this thread. People rationally challenging you with issues that you don’t want to address.

[Spice_Weasel]

[QUOTE=Clothahump]
Responding with NOTHING but personal attacks (ad hominem) simply indicates that what I posted was correct and the respondent can’t refute it.
[/QUOTE]

While I think ad hominem attacks are usually lame, I fail to see your logic here. I once totally lost my shit and pitted a guy who was like 1850s racist, like, ‘‘black people were happier on plantations’’ racist. I insulted the hell out of him while he posted his Bell Curve bullshit. My refusal to engage him in any kind of argument had no bearing on whether or not his statement was correct. There are any number of reasons why someone would choose insults over arguing. Being sick to goddamn death of trying to reason with racist asshats is a good example of when I slip from logic to invective. (I don’t know if you are racist or not; this is not an equivalency, it is an example.)

[Knowed_Out]

@Clothahump

Another self-professed expert on my life chimes in, with another totally incorrect statement.

Where did I say I was an expert on all things Clothahump? I’d rather drink a cyanide/sarin cocktail.

[Not_Carlson]

Well, I don’t know if Clothahump is coming back.

The people who have posted here offering what I consider to be fairly charitable and reasonable interpretations of his behavior (such has SaneBill and Knowed Out) have received only his mockery and ire in return, with no alternative explanation. Or, like iiandyiiii and Superdude, have already been put on his clearly extensive ignore list.

He seems to think that he has sufficiently addressed the questions and points I put to him. I do not, and I have explained why. (#84, #180, #193, #203)
I can only conclude that Clothahump and I have vastly different ideas of what constitutes honest and logical discussion.
To everyone who warned me I was attempting a futile task, although I did feel a glimmer of hope at one point, it looks very much like you were right.

If he doesn’t come back, I think I’ll just bookmark Post #225 and send it to him anytime I see him claiming “all I ever get is insults!”, or “one only has to look at the responses in this thread to see I’m right!”
That said, on the off chance that he comes back to take a look at this thread

@Clothahump

People can disagree with me all they want. That is what leads to conversation and discourse. Everywhere, apparently, except here.

Those first two sentences are words of wisdom. Why are you so reluctant to apply them on this board?

@Clothahump

But it is not just this thread. It’s damn near any comment I make on any topic at any time. I don’t get intelligent responses, I get name-calling and bullshit on the level of a five year old throwing a tantrum in a sandbox.

Yes, you are clearly not happy in this sandbox. You could do something about that.

[Sunny_Daze]

@Knowed_Out

Where did I say I was an expert on all things Clothahump? I’d rather drink a cyanide/sarin cocktail.

Sends shivers up the spine, doesn’t it?

[SaneBill]

Clothahump, here’s a thought experiment for you.

Take all of your life, all your successes, failures, experiences, expectations and hopes. All your ideals, conservatism, racism, hatred for liberals and people who think differently, just everything from the day you were born.

Now move all that to Syria or Iraq, or somewhere in The Middle-east. Think that you’ve been living there all your life in that atmosphere and culture with your mindset. And now take a deep look at that resulting person.

Then ask yourself this question:
Are you or are you not a member of ISIS ?

[Plumpudding]

@Not_Carlson

To everyone who warned me I was attempting a futile task, although I did feel a glimmer of hope at one point, it looks very much like you were right.

Hey, chin up. You did get him to admit to a post of his being unjustifiable. I don’t think anyone has managed that before.

[Clothahump]

@Knowed_Out

NC, it’s admirable how much you’re willing to accommodate Cloth by presenting him with detailed algorithms, but it’s way too much text to parse through. It’s like you adapted the Turing test for conservatives to see if they’re capable of passion and emotions.** He doesn’t want to be the rat navigating your maze.**

@Knowed_Out

Where did I say I was an expert on all things Clothahump? I’d rather drink a cyanide/sarin cocktail.

I guess you don’t remember your own posts. When you make a declarative statement about something that I do or don’t want to do, you are setting yourself up as an expert on me and presuming to speak on my behalf.

[Clothahump]

@Not_Carlson

Well, I don’t know if Clothahump is coming back.

As I have pointed out before, I have a life. I don’t hang around the SDMB breathlessly awaiting the next round of posts from liberals bashing me.

The people who have posted here offering what I consider to be fairly charitable and reasonable interpretations of his behavior (such has SaneBill and Knowed Out) have received only his mockery and ire in return, with no alternative explanation. Or, like iiandyiiii and Superdude, have already been put on his clearly extensive ignore list.

He seems to think that he has sufficiently addressed the questions and points I put to him. I do not, and I have explained why.

And I have explained why you are wrong. And I am tired of this repetitive, nonsensical bullshit that you started, so this post will be my last in the thread. I’m quite sure that y’all will have a grand time continuing to bash me, but guess what - that’s just business as usual here on the Derp.

Have a nice day.

[Knowed_Out]

@Clothahump

I guess you don’t remember your own posts. When you make a declarative statement about something that I do or don’t want to do, you are setting yourself up as an expert on me and presuming to speak on my behalf.

@Me

He doesn’t want to be the rat navigating your maze.

So was I wrong?

[raventhief]

And this thread has done nothing to enlighten me on what he actually gets out of this message board.

Ah well.

[iiandyiiii]

There are plenty of conservative Dopers who, for the most part, can get along with other Dopers and can “disagree agreeably” on political issues – Bricker, Shodan, adaher, HurricaneDitka, octopus, and Bone, for example – I wonder how Clothahump explains them. Sure, they trade insults sometimes (as do many liberal Dopers), but they also trade reasonable discussion quite often. Do they exist in Clothy’s world?

[Budget_Player_Cadet]

@SaneBill

Clothahump, here’s a thought experiment for you.

Take all of your life, all your successes, failures, experiences, expectations and hopes. All your ideals, conservatism, racism, hatred for liberals and people who think differently, just everything from the day you were born.

Now move all that to Syria or Iraq, or somewhere in The Middle-east. Think that you’ve been living there all your life in that atmosphere and culture with your mindset. And now take a deep look at that resulting person.

Then ask yourself this question:
Are you or are you not a member of ISIS ?

I lol’d, good post.

[ElvisL1ves]

@raventhief

And this thread has done nothing to enlighten me on what he actually gets out of this message board.

Validation, perversely. If he’s getting scorned by all the libtards, he must be living right.

[Sunny_Daze]

Well, what I got out of this thread is that Not Carlson is like the Energizer Bunny. He keeps going and going. He did get some responses, like iiandyiii before him. It would not surprise me if he’s now on Clothy’s ignore list though.

[QuickSilver]

@Clothahump

I’m quite sure that y’all will have a grand time continuing to bash me, but guess what - that’s just business as usual here on the Derp.

Get off the cross, Clot; we need the wood.

@Clothahump

Have a nice day.

Happy Easter!