Mr. Spock can go to Hell

I suggest we send a Jesuit to exorcise Vulcan forthwith. If it blows up, we’ll know.

A Jesuit would probably decide to stay.

Not if you pick the right one.

That was probably it, then

There’s a Vulcan monastery on P’Jem and I could see a Jesuit falling in love with it.

Wow, that was quite an extra effort by god. You would think he/she could have made the universe billions of times smaller if that was the goal.

Yeah. Sounds like a firm endorsement of horoscopic astrology and astral divination in general.

The other planets in our solar system have nothing to do with terrestrial timekeeping, and the only reason to regard them as “signs” is if you believe they’re exercising some occult influence over human lives and/or are conveying messages from a supernatural being. I thought fundamentalist Christians frowned on that sort of divinatory practices.

Ken, don’t tell God what he can do.

Because they encounter so little of it around them.

Col 1 16x,20x. "For in him all things were created(: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,) "…and through him to reconcile to himself all things, (whether things on earth or things in heaven, )by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Seems like Mr Spock would be included in that and by the exact same method as us.

Easily resolved:

‘But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach for ever.’

‘What are the stars?’ said O’Brien indifferently. ‘They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.’


‘For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?

(Bolding added.)

And I think it was a Jesuit who, when asked about intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe, replied that if such an alien race were discovered the next step would be to determine whether they had souls; and if they did, make an effort to baptize them into the Church.

Umm, Mr. Spock isn’t a descendant of Adam so he has no original sin.

If one believes that all humans are descendents of Adam (as Ken Ham does), then, as Spock is half-human (the son of a human female, from Earth, and a Vulcan male), then he would qualify.

If one doesn’t believe that all humans are descendents of Adam, then original sin isn’t likely an issue, anyway. :slight_smile:

It’s almost as if he doesn’t know that Spock is fictional.

I’m not sure that you can make that case from the Bible. The fact that it doesn’t mention other races, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist, or if they do that they are excluded from Salvation. Or that they need it.

I’m going with ‘Mr. Spock is a stand in for generic alien’ . . . 'cause there’s no way I wasn’t remembering that Spock is half human. :flushed:

Well, god works in mysterious ways that we can’t possibly fathom. We cannot know the mind of god* and so we should not ask such questions.

*Except when it comes to gays, transgenders, abortion, guns, immigrants, taxes, socialism, liberals etc. In those cases we know exactly what God thinks, which, as it happens, coincides perfectly with what we think.

Unless I missed it, it was @CalMeacham (this thread’s OP), not Ken Ham, who specifically brought up Mr. Spock.

I’m curious how this works. There are clearly people on Earth who are not decended from Adam and Eve like the people of Nod where Cane gets his wife from. How do they relate to this whole race of Adam thing?

My understanding has always been that Fundamentalist Christians believe that Adam and Eve were the first humans, and thus, all people are descended from them.

I’m sure that there is some fundamentalist explanation for Cain’s wife that still squares with “Adam and Eve were the first humans,” but I’m not sure what it is.

God created Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve created Cain and Able, Cain slew Able. In theory there was 1 person left at that point. Then Cain goes to Nod gets married and has a kid. I’ve never seen an explanation of where the wife came from or how she had original sin. Maybe this ties back to aliens.