A search of the PubMed scientific literature database shows no published articles related to MS authored by that person.
YouTube patient testimonials do not qualify as evidence.
Maybe that is right, maybe you are missing something. I am not looking it up.
The hospital names that I gave are among the biggest and most trusted by common man as well as by the VVIPs over here. So if I or someone in my family had MS, we would be going to one of these docs for sure but also want to be wary of the important points you make and do more research. sounds ok?
There are few more youtube testimonials that could be found easily. But that doesn’t mean anything as per you so I wont bother you.
Apollo Hospitals (which you report has a vascular surgeon doing the neck vein treatment for MS) also endorses homeopathy for cardiovascular disease.
No doubt lots of “common man” and “WIPs” (wery important people?) over there would give testimonials for homeopathy as well, but it’s still quackery.
Double ‘V’ (‘V V’) without a space between them looks like a ‘W’. 
A couple of examples on homeopathy:
hypericum ( St. John’s wort) is an age old homeopathic remedy only very recently proven to contain natural SSRIs(selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) which make most of the allopathic anti-depressants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_John...t#Medical_uses
Passiflora is one proven remedy for anxiety and for insomnia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passifl...theogenic_uses
There are 100s of homeo. medicines and many of them wouldn’t work for any patient but homeo is still worth a try esp. if conventional treatments do not seem to work.
I know you are gonna say that homeo can’t work because the dilution of medicine is very high and that its all placebo but the patients who get better don’t really care.
Anyways, Liberation treatment seems to have way more better results than homeo as per what I have read and I am convinced that if i had the problem, I would have gone and met the doc(may be you wouldn’t have, thats fine) and taken the decision after taking a couple of opinions atleast…
SJW has some efficacy in treating less severe forms of depression, but diluting it to the point that the solution contains no SJW molecules at all (typical of homeopathic drugs) means no SSRI ingredients and no efficacy beyond placebo (the bottom line on homeopathy based on quality research). I’d think twice about seeking care from a hospital system that promotes such nonsense.
It’s good that you introduced the subject of homeopathy though, as it is a classic example of an “alternative” treatment subscribed to in credulous testimonials, whose lack of use in mainstream treatment is claimed to be due to those arrogant, Pharma-paid-off physicians, while a few Brave Maverick Doctors buck the tide. :rolleyes:
Let me correct that for you - there are hundreds of homeopathic medicines. None of them work, so homeopathy is a waste of time and money.
Regards,
Shodan
Homeopathy, as the term is used in the US, is unmitigated bunk. It refers to substances diluted to the point where there is no substance left, and relies on some “woo” about water memory. It works for no one. It’s not worth a try.
You seem to be referring to some form of herbal medicine which certainly can work if the herbs have medicinal properties. I don’t think anyone here has a problem with that in concept.
If you are talking about the diluted substances as mentioned above then it’s bunk no matter who is standing behind it.
Many of the credulous testimonials are from people who have no selfish interests and who feel genuine relief. I know too many of them here and I can’t ignore their experiences abt homeo.
Again, you wouldn’t go but I would’ve gone if conventional treatments dint work esp for allergies, blood related issues and neural issues. And same response to Shodan and Telemark - even after knowing fully about the dilution argument.
Some info for those who wanna know, Homeopathy is a different branch of medicine altogether, like Ayurveda, Chinese medicine or Yunani medicine. The course that homeo practitioners do over here is a 5 year course called Bachelor of Homeopathic Medicine and Surgery (BHMS).
and to reiterate on the topic of Liberation treatment, that has way more success rate as per what I’ve read.
@Telemark
Q potency= mother tincture = undiluted remedy is also very common in homeo.
That works for many, diluted forms also work for many. the practitioner will prescribe based on what he thinks should be prescribed.
No. It doesn’t work at all. It’s completely unsupported by science and should not be advocated by anyone who claims a passing familiarity with science.
Homeopathy is false medicine.
Well, not to further hijack the thread that I’ve revived, but since I got the update from the OP that I came for anyway… you really should educate yourself on what homeopathy is. You can start right here with Uncle Cecil. Then move onto the 100s of articles on the science-based medicine blog, and James Randi.
In short, there’s nothing there. No real medicine, no plausible mechanism for how it might work, and no scientific evidence that it does.
I think Futurama has another take on what the “B” stands for.
One of my fave Futurama moments!
@Moe - agreed, no intentions of further hijacking this thread, so my last post on homeo, others can surely debunk it 
- If science doesn’t currently know how it works or if it works, doesn’t mean that it can’t be ever known.
1000+ year old Yogic practices like Bhramari(humming bee sound) Pranayaam(breathing exercise) and jaap(repetitive chanting) of sound of ‘Om’ talk about Vibrations for positivity and for mental health. It had no scientific basis till very recently. We have procedures like the Deep Brain Stimulation(DBS) now, wherein the doctor places a pacemaker in the brain to generate electrical impulses\vibrations in specific parts of the brain. DBS is used in Parkinson’s, Major Depressions and in major OCDs. This has been possible with the discovery of functional MRI only in the last decade. The Functional MRI tells you exactly what parts of the brain are inactive (need vibrations).
Watch the video in thislink wherein an IIT Mumbai research claims via nanotechnology that dilutions used in Homeopathy actually hold the properties of the original compound. It may be a starting point for future research.
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Sure it may not have worked for many but many people say that it has worked for them or someone they know. Can not be ignored.
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Homeo should be completely safe even as per the opponents of homeo according to who its nothing but sugar pills. So, it should have no side effects, hence no harm trying esp. if conventional treatment doesn’t work. Also, mother tinctures or undiluted remedies are also very commonly given by the homeo practitioners.
Undiluted crap.
What some people forget is that anecdotal evidence IS evidence. It doesn’t mean it is true, though. Many people believe that the baby jesus talks to them as well. Pure garbage, fortunately.
Other than some people will not seek regular medical treatment for their condition and end up in a worse state than if they had done so.
Understand that my wife was at the stage where current medical science had zero answers to help her. They had thrown her on the discard pile giving her the scarlet letters ‘MS’ and relating every issue she had to that. We had no choice.
Whether you agree that the Liberation treatment works or not, it makes sense to this skeptic that if you block a vein or artery things stop working the way they should. Proven by the ultrasound on her legs showing the valves not working properly. And this particular surgery for removing varicose veins is not quack science. It is easy to extrapolate that blocked veins in other parts of the body could cause issues. Again whether it causes MS, or is the result of MS, or isn’t related at all is the question that we are discussing.
So, bringing homeopathy into this discussion, which is based more upon alchemy than any rational science and something that has zero possibility of working as proponents suggest, or at all, isn’t appreciated.
Sure it can be ignored, it’s crap science. It’s not even that, it’s fantasy. Sorry, but it’s one of the red line topics where you can tell that the person advocating for homeopathy doesn’t understand science.
Ah, the “we’ll be proven right someday!” meme. Problem is, when you combine ludicrous 19th century thinking with modern scientific analysis, homeopathy is shown to be crap (or to be more precise, placebo).
Mm-hmm, sugar pills (or more commonly for homeopathic meds, plain water or alcohol diluent shouldn’t have much in the way of side effects, except for those unusual cases where placebos have serious side effects (the mind can, at least temporarily, do freaky things). More important are the consequences of wasting time, money and self-respect running around trying woo, which people commonly do even when there are effective mainstream medical remedies they haven’t tried or given an adequate opportunity to work.
Insistently comparing neck vein surgery for M.S. to homeopathy can’t be pleasing to advocates of the former - who view it as much more than placebo (though without anything resembling sufficient evidence).
It was *you *who brought in homeopathy in this thread then replied its good that I introduced it and now are accusing me of ‘comparing’ it with vein surgery when I never did. You are incredible.
Anyways - to everyone, Please get back to discussing the topic which this thread is meant for i.e. The Liberation Treatment for Multiple Sclerosis
I mentioned homeopathy because you were going on about the wonderful surgeon with the youtube videos and the wonderful hospital where he practices. When I noted that hospital system endorses homeopathy (which makes one wonder about the quality of medicine it provides), you had to go into a long, repetitive and nonsensical defense of homeopathy.
By all means, save the endorsements of homeopathic and other woo for another thread.
This is the kind of discussion that makes those of us who work on the side of science-based medicine want to beat our heads against a wall.
No, I don’t want to see ms patients suffer needlessly (two of my most treasured friends have MS.) But they don’t need dangerous, unproven treatments either.
As some of the evidence on “ccscvi” starts to be published, it seems that the theory is looking much less plausible. Anyone who is considering the treatment should give these a read.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/myncbi/collections/public/1t7BiVe4uYIpZfLv18GGC3k5O/