Music knowledge and bands you absolutely MUST recognize

It’s funny - I’m currently working on a project very similar to this (I hesitate to be more specific until the proposal is accepted) and the only artist on both the list in the OP and my list is Sun Ra.

I recognize most of the list, but would hardly claim even 90% of them are “must-know” - Saxon? Zebra? Fastway? All second-rate NWOBHM/hard rock (from the 80s, no less, when they didn’t have the same excuse as the 70s bands doing the same thing). Arbitrary picks, too - why not have Trust or the Tygers of Pan Tang or another equally non-influential act in there?
Survivor? Heart? Corporate rock of no discernible consequence. I don’t think anybody but middle-aged guitar players consider Jeff Beck or Yngwie Malmsteen worth listening to. And on and on.

Not to say no one on the list has any merit, but almost none of it is “essential” music knowledge.

I thought that I’d throw out some of the songs that I remember from these bands. Maybe some of you who don’t recognize the name will remember a song. Some though I just rambled -

Mahavishnu Orchestra - faintly remember
Climax Blues Band - Yep, know 'em
West Bruce and Laing - Leslie West of Mountain (Mississippi Queen) with Jack Bruce of CREAM
Sun Ra - Nope
Jack Dejohnette - Nope
**Lake **-Can’t think of a tune but I remember the name
Dixie Dregs - heard the name, can’t name a song
**Blue Oyster Cult **- Don’t Fear the Reaper
**Foghat **- Slow Ride!
Tommy Tutone - Jenny I need your number
**Joan Jett **- I Love Rock and Roll
Golden Earring - RADAR Love!
Blackfoot - Can’t Remember the song
Saxon - Nope
Fastway - Nope
Shooting Star - KC native band - Last Chance - My coworker’s BIL was the original Bass player
Stevie Ray Vaughan - Pride and Joy
Zebra - Heard of them
**Dokken **- Heard of Them
**Survivor **- Eye of the Tiger
Yngwie Malmsteen - Nope
the Motels - Only The Lonely
Robin Trower - From Procol Harem to Power Slides
Guess Who - American Woman
Heart - Barracuda
Fabulous Thunderbirds - Tuff Enuff
Foghat - Slow Ride
Atlanta Rhythm Section - Another Man’s Woman
Outlaws - There Goes Another Lovesong
Dave Mason - Penned the Song Feelin Allright and played the opening power chords on Hendrix’s version of All Along the Watchtower
Spirit - Got a Line On You
Little Feat - Dixie Chicken
Big Head Todd and the Monsters - Bittersweet?
Screaming Cheetah Wheelies - Can’t Remember
Jeff Beck - From the Yardbirds and Jeff Beck Group with Rod Stewart on Vocals
Buddy Guy - Just a statistic -If you only had half of his albums , you’d have about 40
Eric Johnson - Cliffs of Dover
**Derek Trucks Band **- Best Slide Guitar player alive (maybe ever) - Recently seen next to Clapton, as second lead guitar in the Allman Bros Band, leading his own band or sitting in on his wife’s (Sorry Twickster) band
**Lynyrd Skynyrd **- Saw them open for the Who in St. Louis - Heard Freebird Live before it hit the Radio stations
Kenny Wayne Sheppard - Blue on Black (That Song was co-written by Mark Selby, my favorite “not well known” performer.)
Aaron Squirrel Band - Do Not Know
**Joe Cocker **- Sings Like John Belushi - With a Little Help from his Friends

HEY! I happen to resemble, nay, embody your remark…

…and yeah, you’re right…darn it.

…I stand by my belief that Beck is pretty much the best electric guitarist out there, but can’t argue the point that I am having that debate pretty much with my demographic only…

I hate that.

I don’t think that anybody could deny Beck (and Malmsteen, AFAICT) is an excellent guitarist, and I enjoyed him in The Yardbirds myself. But being technically great and making exciting (or at least listenable) music are two different skills. Certain people (including my own favorites, Bob Mould and Paul Westerberg, not to mention Lennon & McCartney) should realize they work best within the confines of a band, especially one comprised of members with equally valuable creative contributions and editing capabilities .

:smack: Whoops!, got my service industry band names messed up.

I’ve bolded the ones I gave myself credit for sufficiently “knowing” and made some notes on what I know as far as song titles are concerned. I scored 23 out of the 42 listed, so that’s just over half. The list tends to be focused on blues artists, which is outside of my realm. Had the list been more heavy-metal-centric I’d have likely recognized most of them.

[ul]
[li]Mahavishnu Orchestra- Who?[/li][li]Climax Blues Band- I Love You[/li][li]West Bruce and Laing- Never heard of him.[/li][li]Sun Ra- Huh?[/li][li]Jack Dejohnette- Huh again?[/li][li]Lake- I know Emerson, Lake and Palmer; are we talking about the same guy here?[/li][li]Dixie Dregs- Who the hell is this?[/li][li]Blue Oyster Cult- Don’t Fear the Reaper. Burnin’ For You, Godzilla, and a few others.[/li][li]Foghat- Fool for the City,Slow Ride[/li][li]Tommy Tutone- 867-5309 (really, who doesn’t know this one if you were born before 1980?)[/li][li]Joan Jett- I Love Rock & Roll is her most well-known, but she’s had some other hits, too.[/li][li]Golden Earring- Twilight Zone, Radar Love[/li][li]Blackfoot - I know the name but I couldn’t tell you any of their song’s names.[/li][li]Saxon- I have a vague recollection of this one.[/li][li]Fastway- All Fired Up.[/li][li]Shooting Star- An underrated and under-recognized act. I couldn’t find any of their CDs in any stores and found one on eBay.[/li][li]Stevie Ray Vaughan- Well-known blues guy.[/li][li]Zebra- Who’s Behind the Door, Tell Me What You Want (I had this song in my head today for some reason).[/li][li]Dokken- Into the Fire, Breaking the Chains, Alone Again, Just Got Lucky, great stuff from these guys.[/li][li]Survivor- Eye of the Tiger, High On You, I Can’t Hold Back, The Search is Over[/li][li]Yngwie Malmsteen- I know the name but I don’t know any of his song titles.[/li][li]the Motels- Only the Lonely, Take the L[/li][li]Robin Trower- A legend, and while I know a couple of his songs in my head I could not tell you the titles.[/li][li]Guess Who- These Eyes, American Woman, No Sugar Tonight[/li][li]Heart- Crazy on You, Barracudda, Magic Man, and then all their 80s stuff.[/li][li]Fabulous Thunderbirds- I know them, but they aren’t really my style.[/li][li]Foghat- So nice you listed them twice. :)[/li][li]Atlanta Rhythm Section- Heard of them, but couldn’t name of their songs or even hum a few bars to save my life.[/li][li]Outlaws- (drawing a blank)[/li][li]Dave Mason- Another one I don’t know.[/li][li]Spirit- Huh?[/li][li]Little Feat- I think these guys play the blues. I don’t really know much about the blues, I’m finding out.[/li][li]Big Head Todd and the Monsters- Again, I’ve heard of them but don’t know any songs.[/li][li]Screaming Cheetah Wheelies- See above.[/li][li]Jeff Beck- I know the name but don’t care for the music.[/li][li]Buddy Guy- Dunno.[/li][li]Eric Johnson- Cliffs of Dover, that’s the only one I know.[/li][li]Derek Trucks Band- Sounds like a country act, which would explain why I don’t know them.[/li][li]Lynyrd Skynyrd- Really, do I need to list their most well-known songs?[/li][li]Kenny Wayne Sheppard- Another blues artist, I think.[/li][li]Aaron Squirrel Band- I don’t know this one, either[/li][li]Joe Cocker- I’ve heard several of his songs. He’s okay in small doses. Sort of like Bruce Springsteen.[/li][/ul]

Ignorance fought, inner-balance slightly skewed.

Quiet! You’re gonna get her all riled up again.

Bands you MUST recognize? For rock, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones. That’s it. If you want to open it to pop, throw in Michael Jackson. Hell, even my 70-something parents would know those. Anyone else may be important or popular within a time period/location/genre, but doesn’t transcend into universal thou-shalt-recognize.

For the list quoted in the OP: Lots of 70s/80s hard rock and jazz fusion. But I wouldn’t expect a fan of country, punk, disco, hip-hop, or electronica to recognize more than 1/3, nor would I consider them deficient if they didn’t.

Listed acts I’ve seen live
Joan Jett (twice - once as a headliner and once opening for The Kinks)
Dixie Dregs

Listed acts I could hum at least one song, whether I wanted to or not
Blue Oyster Cult
Foghat
Tommy Tutone
Golden Earring
Fastway
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Zebra
Dokken - dude used to give out my home phone number when he lived in Hermosa Beach
Survivor
the Motels
Eric Johnson
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Joe Cocker
Guess Who
Heart
Fabulous Thunderbirds
Listed acts I’ve heard of, but can’t name a song
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Sun Ra
Jeff Beck
Buddy Guy
Robin Trower
Saxon - Harry Shearer said he and Christopher Guest hung out with them a few nights when they were researching for “This Is Spinal Tap”
Yngwie Malmsteen
Dave Mason
Spirit
Little Feat
Big Head Todd and the Monsters

Listed acts I’ve never heard of
Jack Dejohnette
Lake
Blackfoot
Shooting Star
Atlanta Rhythm Section
Outlaws
Screaming Cheetah Wheelies
Derek Trucks Band
Kenny Wayne Sheppard
Aaron Squirrel Band
Climax Blues Band
West Bruce and Laing

43, American, for a demographic data point

Damn it, Hobo Stew, that was gonna be my joke!

Blue Oyster Cult
Foghat
Tommy Tutone
Joan Jett
Golden Earring
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Zebra
Guess Who
Heart
Fabulous Thunderbirds
Foghat (2x on list)
Little Feat
Big Head Todd and the Monsters
Screaming Cheetah Wheelies
Jeff Beck
Buddy Guy
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Kenny Wayne Sheppard
Joe Cocker

So I know 18 or 19, depending how many times we’re counting Foghat; none of them are bands I particularly care for, though. FTR I’m 32. Most of the bands (BHT and SCW aside) on the list were popular before the 90s, I’m guessing.

Not much love for the Screamin Cheetah Wheelies, huh? I have less than 6000 MP3s on this computer, but one of them is a song of theirs “Right Place Wrong Time.” That’s okay. Listening to the song just now, I’m reminded that it’s not very good.

Personally I’d say Spirit. They sort of stalled at the cult-band level in their heyday, but the best of their music holds up better than a lot of the more popular stuff that was created at the time (late 60s/early 70s). “Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus” is one of my favorite albums.

And known for a song that Jimmy Page “borrowed” from to begin Stairway to Heaven, and for guitarist Randy California…

I consider myself very eclectic and well-listened (I’ve been accused of being a DJ, due to my knowledge of many obscure bands)

But, I’ve never heard of…

Mahavishnu Orchestra
Climax Blues Band
West Bruce and Laing
Sun Ra
Jack Dejohnette
Lake
Dixie Dregs
Blackfoot
Shooting Star
Outlaws
Spirit
Derek Trucks Band
Aaron Squirrel Band

Heard of, but either have never heard or would never recognize a song from…

Saxon
Fastway
Zebra
Dokken
the Motels
Robin Trower
Atlanta Rhythm Section
Dave Mason
Little Feat
Big Head Todd and the Monsters
Screaming Cheetah Wheelies
Buddy Guy
Eric Johnson
Kenny Wayne Sheppard

Much of the list seems to be either classic Hair Metal, or Southern Rock, neither of which are genres I listen to much.

Well this has been interesting. I didn’t know about the Gary Larson/SCW connection. And thanks to koeeoaddi for posting that link to CBB. That’s the band I saw, but in later years could never reconcile my memory with “Couldn’t Get It Right” and the other pablum they were doing.

The thing that most surprises me are the posters who know and like band D, L and F but have never heard of J. Not that they should, it just seems odd that they don’t. But then, filling in those gaps in my knowledge is one of my favorite things.

For the record (because I hope to someday have a reputation to maintain), this is a list of opening acts I’ve seen in my life that, for better or worse, became headliners themselves. I saw a few as headliners, but not most. It starts with Mahavishnu Orchestra opening for Jeff Beck in 1975 and proceeds more or less in order to Joe Cocker opening for Steve Miller last summer.

It is not intended to be a list that “everyone should know”. It was mischaracterized as such in the other thread and seems to have been in this one as well. (Not by you, Justin, we’re good. :))

It has little to nothing to do with my personal taste in music. Some of them I like, some I don’t. I used to go to concerts as much as I could and these are the bands I saw along the way. Even the list of headliners would not be a reflection of my taste in music.

I am admittedly, a huge music geek, so I can clear up some of the confusion about some of these bands (if anybody’s still interested).

Jack DeJohnette was a jazz drummer I saw as part of a triple bill of jazz drummers. the other two were Michael Narada Walden and Billy Cobham. I remember being blown away by all three, but honestly know little else about DeJohnette.

Lake - I remembered after posting that Lake was actually a no-show. They were supposed to have opened for Jean-Luc Ponty and I did know who they were before. They were one of several Yes clones from the era, kind of a Starcastle - Lite (sorry, Lake).

Outlaws - Yeah this was the “Green Grass and High Tides” and “There Goes Another Love Song” southern rock band. Not the Willie, Waylon, Kristofferson and <somebody, else> band.

Aaron Squirrel Band - Aaron is a local guy just getting started. AFAIK he’s only ever played locally, but I’ve seen him open for Johnny A, Joe Bonamasso and Eric Johnson. I see him in my neighborhood occasionally (he seems like a really nice guy) and he told me (because I asked him) that they had all come to him, presumably after some promoter played a demo for them. The band has a website and a couple of videos on Youtube if you are interested.

Other posters have identified everybody else, I think. If we missed somebody or you want to know more, just ask.

No, I didn’t. Nowhere did I say that everyone on that list was the equivalent of someone selling demos out of their car. I even said I’d heard of some of the bands on the list. Just not most of them.

The point I was making is that bands that are selling demos in the carpark have about the same name recognition to The Average Person In The Street as some these Opening Acts over which people were so full of righteous indignation regarding their perceived lack of recognition.

38 years old here.

Mahavishnu Orchestra - heard of them
Climax Blues Band - heard of them
West Bruce and Laing - never heard of them
Sun Ra - slightly familiar with
Jack Dejohnette - never heard of him
Lake - heard of them
Dixie Dregs - own a couple of albums
Blue Oyster Cult - one of my favorites when I was a kid; had many albums on vinyl
Foghat - know their radio hits
Tommy Tutone - know his one bit hit
Joan Jett - know her radio hits
Golden Earring - two-hit wonder, know both songs
Blackfoot - heard of them
Saxon - had an album on vinyl when I was a kid
Fastway - had their first album on cassette
Shooting Star - own their “greatest hits”
Stevie Ray Vaughan - familiar with radio hits
Zebra - awesome. Own debut and a live album
Dokken - was really into when I was a kid, had a couple of albums on vinyl
Survivor - know “Eye of the Tiger”
Yngwie Malmsteen - blech. The ability to play scales at a high rate of speed does not a good guitarist make.
the Motels - know with “Only the Lonely”
Robin Trower - familiar with radio hits
Guess Who - familiar with radio hits
Heart - love 'em. Own every album.
Fabulous Thunderbirds - familiar with radio hits
Atlanta Rhythm Section - heard of them
Outlaws - own debut album
Dave Mason - heard of him
Spirit - heard of them
Little Feat - recall of couple of songs, I think
Big Head Todd and the Monsters - heard of them
Screaming Cheetah Wheelies - never heard of them
Jeff Beck - another awesome! Own a few albums
Buddy Guy - slightly familiar with
Eric Johnson - familiar with
Derek Trucks Band - never heard of him
Lynyrd Skynyrd - another had vinyl as a kid
Kenny Wayne Sheppard - heard of him
Aaron Squirrel Band - never heard of him
Joe Cocker - quite familiar with radio hits

So only four I’ve never heard of.

I’m not sure how much this has to do with the issue, but… for those of us who grew up pre-'90s, radio was quite different back then. There were no Classic Rock stations, Heavy Metal Stations, Alternative Rock stations, etc. There were Rock Stations. AOR format. All-encompassing, '60s through the (then) present. It would be normal to hear something by U2, followed by the Beatles, followed by Iron Maiden.

When I was 13, in 1984, I was all into bands that were big at the time - Maiden, the Scorpions, Ozzy… and I was just as heavily into bands that had been around for 20 years, or were long broken up - Zeppelin, the Stones, etc. Because I was exposed to all of this music every day on the radio. I’m guessing for younger people, after the AOR format died/splintered, this was not the case.

Or I could be completely full of shit.

I’ve heard of the following and consider them to be universally famous:

Blue Oyster Cult
Joan Jett
Heart
Lynyrd Skynyrd

The following sound vaguely familiar:

Fastway
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Zebra
Survivor

The following I’m familiar with but don’t consider them universally famous:

the Motels
Joe Cocker

And yes, age might factor into it, the ones I consider famous haven’t seemed to be headlining the entertainment news for years

Johnny A – know 'im, love 'im, in the collection. My favorite tune on the album is a cover of a Beatle song, Yes It Is http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=6&islist=false&id=99637827&m=99635703
(and truth be told, I don’t remember if they wrote it or covered it). He also does a nice job on Wichita Lineman.

Johnny Cash…The Highwaymen. (Saw them in concert, mostly so I could see Cash.) :smiley:

Close - jazz drummer.