music (warning:may offend rap fans!!)

I can’t even be fucked to express my full contempt for the “I’ll earn more than you” or the “rap fans couldn’t recognise proper music” statements made by some in this thread.

So instead I’ll just state my full support for rap and hiphop as musical genres, for the validity of mixing as a form of music, and hell even support for dalovindj who, although he might be laying it a bit thick, is only trying to defend a style of music that he likes, as indeed do a large number of other people. At least he’s not trying to tell other people what can and can’t be viewed as music, which is a fairly fucking offensive piece of intellectual snobbery if ever there was one.

I still think Nelly is pretty pish though.

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He’s saying “H to the izz-O, V to the izz-A,” which spells “Hova,” which is short for Jay-Hova (Jehovah), which is Jay-Z’s nickname of sorts.

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I started listening to the area’s two rap/r&b stations in my car after I finally gave up on the “modern rock” stations. Rap can really grow on you if you listen to it long enough. And Mary J. Blige rocks out.

Now we’re getting somewhere. See, I consider it music, under your definition, it isnt. No problem, that shows why we can’t connect on the whole thing, we both are working from differant deffinitions of what is music. Who’s to say which of us is right?

Who’s to say there is a “right” in this situation?

The eye of the beholder, and all that…

Nope, the main details were the same: Mike says JW’s father looks “gay,” Mike gets fired.

If I loudly commented that a customer looked fat, and the fat person’s daughter complained loudly enough, I would get fired too. If I claimed that I meant “phat,” I would still get fired. This makes perfect sense to me. We’re all paid to service the customers. Making any sort of derogatory comment about them doesn’t accomplish this.

Could you be any more of an arrogant, self-righteous prick? You are singlehandedly symbolic of everything I hate about this board, which has recently outweighed what I enjoy.

Fuck off, Scylla. Arguing with you is a waste of logic and a waste of time.

I do not listen to rap or hip-hop, and dislike it (well, I like Ice T’s “Walks Softly and Carries a Big Gun”), but that ‘shit’ is music. A definition for music that I submitted in this thread.: Music is art-of-the-moment, produced through a sonic medium, has rhythm, harmonics, texture, density, volume, and is created with the intention of expressing an idea or emotion. Off hand, that description will fit Western-Art music (AKA “classical”), blues, jazz, Irish folk, middle-eastern, (etc) and guess what?! it describes Rap and Hip-Hop too - If you have a definition of music that’s better, let’s hear it – If the extent of your argument is “I don’t know music, but I know what I like”, then all you have just described what music you like. This is a null argument. I hate brussel sprouts – doesn’t mean they aren’t food.

By extension, Turntables, as they are used by DJs (Dalovin’ - I’m sure you mentioned this already, but what do you call yourselves?), are the instruments for producing that music. It bothers me to hear samples of other people’s music (Hearing ‘Every Breath You Take’ in a rap song killed me), but that’s ‘sampling’ which is not the only use of a turntable (and perhaps worthy of another debate). And EVEN if the ONLY sound you get out of a turntable is <swick>, well, the only sound you get from claves is <click>. Whoops, sorry, claves are just sticks - Fuck the Latinos and their “music”. (hyperbole)

Last Digs - The money hijack: Sounds an awful lot like kids in the playground. If how much you make is how you measure your worth, go to it and good luck.

MLC, I’ll second that emotion.

Good post…

I think I’ll just dispense with argument, since it was simply a restatement of a previous post, and simply deal with this:

That’s pretty strong, but I’m not symbolic of anything except in your own head, and that is your own problem as is your failure to enjoy this board.

At any rate I’m sorry to hear you feel that way. Though we disagree, up to that comment I’ve had no cause to have anything but a high opinion of you.

Then don’t do it.

Kamandi, bdgr - thanks!

Nacho4sara said:

I think Carl Jung called this shadow projection. The things you don’t like about yourself you project onto others.

What a thread. First hip-hop, now I even have to defend the Straight Dope. I’ve posted on alot of different sites, and I must say this board is the coolest mix of intelectuals, artists, and everday folks who use their head I’ve found. You can get advice on anything you could imagine, from computers, to sex, to diets.

You can toss around metaphysical ideas in great debates, you can work out some stress in the BBQ pit, you can share all of those little amusing things that happen on a daily basis in MPSIMS. And you get responses. Usually, (but definately not always) well thought out, intelligent responses. Sometimes informative, sometimes just plain entertaining.

There’s plenty of jerks and crazy fools, but they are in a minority, methinks. This place rocks. I’ve learned a ton here and in the process worked out how I feel on a few issues I wasn’t so sure on. Shame on you for dissin’ the straight dope when a thread isn’t going how you like.

Lookin’ forward to some good expletives Nacho. I bet you won’t let me down! I do love the trash talk.

Such a nice pit. Daddy likes.

DaLovin’Dj

The place is addictive, isn’t it.

As someone told me at the last New York Dope-Dinner:

“They don’t call it dope for nothin’”

I can’t believe I’m not fired yet. My productivity has gone way down since I registered here a couple weeks ago!

DaLovin’Dj

Great Debates, here I come. :cool:

In the immortal words of, well, ME:

“This place is more addictive than caramel-covered crack.”

So far, what needs to be said has been said. I just have a question for N4S:

When I left, you seemed to have calmed down a bit, and evolved into someone who I could get along with. It’s like you got over your anger or bitterness or whatever, and stopped reacting to everything.
Now, you sound like an angry-as-fuck, agenda-of-rage world-hating bitch with a chip on her shoulder the size of a yak’s cancerous left nut.
Why you so riled up, chica?

In other news, all this getting pissed off and offended over a word is pretty fuckin’ stupid. It’s just a word. Why should you pick a certain word and grant it power over you?
I used to work with this guy who was gay. Well, I’m sure he still is gay, but anyway: He would say things like “I don’t mind being called gay, or queer, or queen, but don’t ever call me a faggot! I ain’t no bundle of wood! I ain’t no cigarette!”
All of this was delivered with much alacrity, and accompanied by much snapping of fingers and serpentine writhing of neck.
Not only do you look like an idiot, you sound like one, too. You must be one of those new “multimedia” dumbfucks.
Look, I don’t care what or who you like to fuck or get fucked by or whatever. That’s your business and I couldn’t care less about any of it.
If I refer to something as “gay” and you get all hurt about it, well, that’s your p[roblem, too.
See, when you stand up and accept responsibility for your life, you have to take responsibility for other things, too.

Some people want to control what you say, saying you can’t use certain words because they’re bad. Fuck all that.
The only word in the english language I don’t like is censorship, and even hearing that word won’t send me into a violent rage like “gay” or “fag” or “pillow-biting queer” will apparently affect 'punha’s friend Brendan.
At the risk of sounding like the white guy saying “Some of my best friends are black…”, I have to say that I have known many gay men and lesbian women in my time, and for the most part they did not have issues with language. If anything, they were supportive of a society where people are free to express themselves, and not all about creating
“freedom” for themselves by oppressing others.
How can gay people be expected to be taken seriously in their struggle to be treated fairly when they want to impose their will upon others? Now, wait, before you get all bunced up, I’m not saying that all gay people are like this, I’m just saying that any group who is fighting for freedom and against discrimination should not oppress others nor should they discriminate against others who are unlike them.

What’s with GLAAD getting all pissed at Kevin Smith about Jay and Silent Bob? Are they serious?
“You can’t say gay, or make jokes about homosexual activity, because I’m gay, and that offends me.”

NEWSFLASH: This just in! The homosexual community, outraged at their portrayal as gay, and as such people who engage in same-sex physical relations, has decided that a movie that is a spoof movie making fun of almost everything at once is offensive, because being gay, they demand that people let them be gay, but still keep things in the closet about gayness and homosexuality so people can remain ignorant and not learn to laugh about that which should be commonplace in America, if not the world: adults being true to their natures and living however they wish to live."

Now I’m probably going to have some militant fairy up in my grill because I said “…however they wish to live.” I know, Mary, sexual orientation is not a choice anymore than is the color of your eyes, or your height, and so on. All I’m saying is that if people are born homosexual, and want to do all the things that go along with it, then fine.
This should be commonplace here.
I know it’s not. There’s still hatred, there’s still intolerance, their’s still discrimination.

And it sucks.

Do you really think that trying to curb people’s language is going to make a difference? Doesn’t that sound like a step in the wrong direction?

You can’t tell me how to talk, or what I can and cannot say, anymore than I can tell you how to live, or who you can or cannot have sex with.
If you want to live in a world where you can force others not to say certain words simply because you don’t like it, then it’s the same world where others can force you not to love a certain sex simply because they don’t like it.

Again, wait. Don’t give me any shit about how I can say what I want just don’t do it around you. Fuck that, too. Fuck it right in the ear.
That’s like me saying “You can be gay, and hold your partner’s hand, just don’t do it around me.”

Which means that I can “fag” or “gay” in my own home, and you can show your love for your partner in your own home, but if we all go the mall, I can’t say “fag” and you can’t hold your partner’s hand, or kiss them, or anything else that is an “acceptable” PDA.

Do you like a world like that? No, it’s not different. You have no right to tell me what I can and can’t say.
You have no right to tell me what I can and can’t watch, or who I can and can’t love.

How many people have mentioned that you shouldn’t say “gay” when referring to something you think is stupid here, because someone or a large group of someones will get offended?
My reaction is this: So fucking what?

Get pissed. Tell me about how pissed you are, start a pit thread all about how you got totally pissed off because I said a word.
Do all that, and you’ll be a sorry, pathetic, stone-blind fucking fool, too.

“Don’t say this”
“Don’t say that”

…you must be fucking kidding me, man.

I hope this doesnt give DJ any ideas but I gotta post this…
Jiveman1: Sheeeet, man, that honkey mus’ be messin’ my old lady got to be runnin’ col’ upsihd down his head!
Subtitle: GOLLY, THAT WHITE FELLOW SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM MY WIFE OR I WILL PUNCH HIM.

Jiveman2: Hey Holm, I can dig it! You know he ain’t gonna lay no mo’ big rap upon you man!
Subtitle: YES, HE IS WRONG FOR DOING THAT.

Jiveman1: I say hey sky, s’other say I won say I pray to J I get the same ol’ same ol.
Subtitle: I KNEW A MAN IN A SIMILAR PREDICAMENT, AND HE ENDED UP BEING SORRY.

Jiveman2: Knock yourself a pro slick. Gray matter back got perform’ us’ down I take TCBin, man’.
Subtitle: DON’T BE NAIVE ARTHUR. EACH OF US FACES A CLEAR MORAL CHOICE.

Jiveman1: You know wha’ they say: See a broad to get that bodiac lay’er down an’ smack 'em yack 'em.
Subtitle: EARLY TO BED, EARLY TO RISE, MAKES A MAN HEALTHY,
WEALTHY AND WISE.

Together: Col’ got to be! Yo!
Subtitle: HOW TRUE!

Together: Sheeeeeeet!
Subtitle: GOLLY.

There is a difference between laughing with someone and laughing at them.

Esprix

absol:

Groovy words. Way to keep jive-talk alive. I never thought of providing subtitles. Maybe that would have helped some of the contextually impaired folks that seem to be floating around this joint understand what the fuck a mutha fucka sayin’. Word.

DaLovin’Dj

Isn’t the necessity of provding a translation then contrary to the media in which we are communicating, i.e., the written word?

Esprix

I’ll try this again…

Jivemn2 : Mnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Attndnt : Can I get you something?
Jivemn2 : S’mo fo butter layin’ to the bone. Jackin’ me up. Tightly.
Attndnt : I’m sorry I don’t understand.
Jivemn1 : Cutty say he cant hang.
Woman4 : Oh stewardess, I speak jive.
Attndnt : Ohhhh, good.
Woman4 : He said that he’s in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Attndnt : Would you tell him to just relax and I’ll be back as soon as I can with some medicine.
Woman : Jus’ hang loose blooood. She goonna catch up on the` rebound a de medcide.
Jivemn2 : What it is big mamma, my mamma didn’t raise no dummy, I dug her rap.
Woman4 : Cut me som’ slac’ jak! Chump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.
See! It’s an alegory representing DJ’s unwillingness to communicate using words the “Up With People” people can understand! Plus, I gave DJ an argument that this type of language has been used in the media since at least the time that AIRPLANE! came out. :slight_smile:

Ahhhh. Airplane. Some of the most classic film-making ever. I think I’ll head over to the Cafe.

DaLovin’Dj