Must characters in children's properties be merely vehicles for an ethical lesson?

My wife works in the Transmedia industry. She has dealt with properties ranging from adult to teen to children to general marketing. For those who do not know, Transmedia refers to a larger storytelling medium that creates a world that transcends merely one medium. You can’t just have a novel, a movie, and a video game, but you must have a contiguous narrative.

In preparation for a possible contract on a famous girl’s property she began to read the book, “Packaging Girlhood: Rescuing Our Daughters from Marketers’ Schemes” by Sharon Lamb and Lyn Mikel Brown. It was also inspired by the fact that we have a young daughter, and so does her boss. So in general because of career reasons, and family reasons it is a topic that has become near and dear to our hearts. There are few things more revolting than Bratz dolls. Unfortunately though, even as natural allies to the book’s message, it has managed to turn us off to it’s subject matter. In a stereotypically academic way, the authors are out of touch with mainstream society. I won’t even go too deeply into their penchant for picking properties that never really found purchase, who people are largely unaware of, while missing out on perfect examples that would have resonated for a much greater audience, or their recommendation for documentaries that cost hundreds of dollars, ensuring that those documentaries bypass the concerned parent market almost completely.

The main thing that we have noticed, as we are very concerned with narrative, is the notion that characters should be reduced to mere objects for a moral lesson. In adult literature/film, it is considered a masterpiece if the characters touch on something deep within us. Yes, the ethical lesson is there, but it need not be there as a result of the characters exemplifying it. Many a great tragedy has touched our hearts with characters who are destroyed, never redeemed throughout the course of the entire film. In Darren Aronofsky’s “Requiem for a Dream”, none of the characters, not even Ellyn Bursten’s innocent single widow is saved despite the warnings of her more worldly son played by Jared Leto. Everyone in the film ends tragically. Leto loses his arm to Gangrene from shooting up, Marlon Wayans goes to a southern prison, Jennifer Connolly cuddles with the heroin she earned by being part of a double anal penetration show, and Ellen Burstyn goes insane from a speed induced craze as prescribed by an inattentive doctor. No one in that movie ended up in a good spot. But it made it’s point about the horrors of drug addiction, in a way that few films have before or since.

In “Packaging Girlhood”, Lamb and Brown make various complaints about some really nitpicky details of some fictional girl’s lives. They range from the extremely trivial, such as Peaches Tickle’s 50s housewife style in ‘Jojo’s Circus’ where they completely ignore the dynamism inherent in the character, who is an attentive Mother and wife, who is treated well by her husband, has lots of supportive friends who she is supportive of as well, and helps run the family business as clowns in the circus. Jojo Tickle, the main character an Peaches’s daughter is a very happy well adjusted child who is the leader of her group of friends. It is one of the best and most uplifting shows that show girls in a positive light without presenting some sense of arbitrary opposition between men and women. The men are men and the women are women in the show, but there is no conflict between them and their identities. No one tells people what they can and cannot do because they are women. Jojo’s parents perform stereotypical tasks, her Mom bakes and her Father fixes things, but in both cases they teach Jojo how to do what they are doing. In making a nitpick about Peaches’s clothes, they diminish their point.

Another example, is speaking of the American Girls franchise. They make one good point about it in that the pretty white girl characters, the word pretty is used over and over, but in the book about the black slave’s book, the word fancy is used over and over. That I believe is a legitimate complaint, but their other complaints about Addy the girl who escapes from slavery is that no one compliments her on her many accomplishments. They don’t point out that she is a capable person. Ultimately she is congratulated on her ability to control her emotions to keep her opinions to herself. In a society where there was a very real danger for an ‘uppity’ black girl opening her mouth, this is an important lesson to learn. It’s an important lesson for anyone to learn regardless of circumstances, controlling one’s emotions is one of the highest arts and the core of self-discipline. The book itself is about her containing her rage at being a slave, so the lesson about restraint is the core message. There are, however, character considerations as to why it is especially important for THIS character. In their desire to make girls feel good about themselves, our academic critique would have us completely ignore the literary merit of the time and place in which Addy lives. They do not want her to be human, they want people to build her self-esteem like a clueless Boomer parent raised on ‘The Power of Positive Thinking’. Is there anything telling us that a slave Mother might even consider thinking about making a production of raising her daughter’s self-esteem? Would that even be in character for her? Why would it be something that she even values? Raising self-esteem for it’s own sake is a very 20th century bourgeois conceit and not something I would expect from an early American culture. As is the idea that every accomplishment requires fanfare. She knows what she did, she knows she saved her Mother’s life when she almost drowned, she knows she escaped from slavery, is pointing this out really necessary?

The authors would enslave characters to the notion of making girls feel empowered. Somehow this to me does not seem empowering. It is an idealization of what they want girls to be, and not a continuous tradition as to what girls historically have been. It also propagates the notion that girls still need to be pandered to to find their own power. The implicit assumption that girls ARE inferior and need to be built up until they no longer are. The idea that it is ok for girls to resemble girls in the past is just as undercutting as many of the stereotypes they decry in their book.

No doubt Girls are underrepresented in children’s properties. On the Disney channel, in both ‘The Wiggles’, and ‘Imagination Movers’, the female characters are tokens and completely subservient to the male characters in the show. This needs to change, but people within the industry such as my wife and her company are actively working to do so. As it is, a girl’s property that she worked on has come out and they can see the fruits of their labor in how it is presented by the owner of the property, but it is not because they explicitly set out to empower girls by harping on the way they dress as much as it is that they portrayed girls with thoughts, feelings, aspirations and most importantly projects of their own.

I posted this in my blog, but as it doesn’t really get discussion comments, because most of the people I know who read it I speak to in person, I wanted to discuss it here.

I essentially agree with you, and I can’t stand crappy childrens’ stuff regardless of message.

Are you saying you don’t like kids stuff in general? Or you hate it when they make children’s stuff crappily?

All I remember about that book is that the authors claimed that the title character on That’s So Raven’s mother is dead, which made me laugh out loud when I first read it. Raven’s mother, as portrayed by T’Keyah Crystal Keymáh, is very much alive. The character was eventually written out of the show, but it was explained that she had decided to go overseas to earn her law degree (Keymáh’s website explains she had only signed up for three seasons).

Although a simple error like that may make you wonder if the authors have done all their research, I was reminded of another theme brought up in the book that is very thought-provoking. I think what you’re trying to say is that a female character can provide a positive message to young girls just by being a female character who is well-developed, and I agree with you. Characters such as Dora the Explorer, Kim Possible, Jojo (as you mentioned), and many others, to me, provide positive role models for young girls simply because they are females who are not the stereotypical Barbie “I like shopping and boys” type. But, this brings up another problem, one which is mentioned in Packaging Girlhood: the authors bring up the very interesting point that female characters are either a Barbie-esque stereotype or a tomboy. I do not know if the examples I provided would fall into this category, but other than Jojo, they might, since their key things are things that boys usually do (Dora goes on adventures, Kim Possible, when she’s not being a cheerleader- a typical girl stereotype- is a secret agent). As Lamb and Brown put it, “Almost all the interesting, feisty girls in TV shows are cool because their primary friendships are with boys and they’re not girly girls…only two types to choose from-girly or tomboy…Girls can be either for the boys or with the boys” [pp. 61-62]. This brings up a more interesting question: can female characters in popular culture be depicted in a form other than just “girly” or “tomboyish?” Are these the only two categories real females can be put in? Is Hillary Clinton a girly girl as compared to the tomboyish Sarah Palin? These are indeed interesting questions, and I do not know if they can be answered. So perhaps the question is not “Must characters in children’s properties be merely vehicles for an ethical lesson?” but “Must female characters in children’s properties be merely vehicles for an ethical lesson?” There are many male archetypes to choose from that make interesting characters, but if female characters (and actual females) are only limited to two personality types, is it better to reinforce the tomboy archetype while creating a relatable girl character or create an ethical lesson featuring a girl character? It is hard to say.

[sub]Some text excerpted from Packaging Girlhood: Rescuing Our Daugthers from Marketers’ Schemes by Sharon Lamb and Lyn Mikel Brown, ©2006 by them. Published by Macmillan[/sub].

I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with Children’s Lit not being didactic: whenever we talk about The Giving Tree here, the debate always seems to split between “This is a horribly unhealthy relationship, why show that to a kid” and “This is a horribly unhealthy relationship portrayed in a way that is both powerful and accessable”.

I think the proper course of action probably varies from kid to kid: some kids internalize everything and simply can’t put distance between themselves and a character–everyone is a role model or a bad guys. Others are capable of more nuanced readings. I think as a parent or a teacher, one ought to start directing kids into reading more and more subtle, complex stuff–and that this can start at a very early age–but kids mature differently and there’s no reason to rush them if they aren’t ready.

mobo85 Very good point, I will change the title of my blog post to add the females to it. I doubt it’s worth bothering a mod over but if a mod sees this and wants to add female to the title they are welcome to.

Well the point I was making regarding Jojo in particular is that her Mother’s dress is worth mentioning. That the creators of the show have some sort of ethical responsibility to reject the 50s hairdo dress and pearls despite the fact that she is well-rounded in general. That would be the part that is the main thrust of my argument. In their picking on Peaches Tickle they reduce their possible range of feminine attributes. Rather than encouraging girls to be free to dress like that, they associate that sort of dress with some kind of oppression. A trivial point that IMO detracts from their point.

I haven’t actually read the book myself, just excerpts that my wife presented me. She say that the Tomboy/Girl stereotype you mention is essentially the main thrust of the book. It’s interesting that you mention Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton since people claim that Hillary is mannish, and Sarah Palin looks more feminine, though she engages in far more masculine activities than Hillary, though we know that Hillary can down whiskey with the men. There might be something to be said that there is a real continuum between the two ranges, and that pretty much all women will fall within that spectrum in some way. Though I think the example of politicians might skew toward the tomboy by the nature of the profession.

That is why Jojo and Peaches are horrible examples, it seems to me that we should be hoping for more characters like the Tickles.

But the essential point is not that there shouldn’t be an ethical lesson, but that the characters should be merely a slave to the ethical lesson, which is a stereotype in and of itself. So I would argue that these authors want to create a third stereotype for female characters to conform to.

My wife also commented on their poor research. She said they mixed up Jeepers Creepers and its sequel. They also picked some horror movie we’d never heard of Shredder in order to make a point about how horror movies treat women, when Scream which is explicit about the relationship of women to horror movies may have been a better example, and one that people have actually seen.

Can you expand on this please? I haven’t read these threads.

Right, I was looking at it more from the producers standpoint, as in how the people actually making the properties should look at it, as that is my wife’s industry and we are very intwined with her work, a close knit community based around the company as she got that job because they were my friends for years. So my daughter in particular will be surrounded by ambient discussions of narrative, and by adults who will actively seek conversations about such things with her. So there is no real reason to push it. She loves Jojo’s Circus, which I couldn’t be happier about considering it’s the most high quality narrative of anything made for toddlers.

I don’t really follow politics that much. I was thinking that Palin’s interest in hunting and such makes her more of a tomboy than Clinton. I guess many females do cross the line between girly-girl and tomboy, something many fictional girls do not.

Okay then, so there are more factual errors than “Raven’s mother is dead.”

Have you read the book?

We need more kids’ lit like The Giving Tree.

There is a lot of girly-girl/tomboy out there in children’s marketing, but there’s a lot that’s not. For example, Dora is in that range between the two. Yes, Dora goes on adventures, but she wears pink and purple and jewelry like a girly girl. There are Dora dolls dressed as princesses and there are Dora dolls dressed for adventuring. I think what Dora represents is the idea that a girl can be feminine and still adventure.

I’m quite fond of PBS shows myself. The girls are more real (still completely unsupervised by their parents, but that’s another beef that is irrelevant to this conversation.) DW Read, Maya and her buddies, the cute little lioness on Between the Lions. The only ones who seem to perpetuate the girly girl mentality are the Sesame Street characters, funnily enough. The human women are more realistic but the girl puppets, especially the ones with cross over marketing, are very much girly girls.

Yes, I have. I get the point, but I was hoping you’d go a little more deeply into it.

Just that some people see the complex truths in The Giving Tree–that love is a complicated thing, and it can be a matter of what you feel, but also a matter of what you do, that relationships are never equal, that loving someone won’t make them stay, that just because a gift is freely given doesn’t mean it’s ok to accept–all those things are complicated, and many of them beyond a child’s ability to understand. Personally, I don’t think that means you shield a kid from them, and I think kids can work towards complex understandings even if they won’t reach any satisfactory moral “lesson”. But a lot of people disagree.

Don’t take academic writing too seriously. A skilled writer could use the exact same evidence to prove the opposite point of view if they put their mind to it.

What is important is the ultimate subject being discussed and how you feel about it.

I don’t know, I think part of the brilliance of that book is that it was within the capability of a child to grasp. It was a quite sad book.

Which is kind of the point of my post. :wink: The literary merit of characters as being people in their own (if purely fictional) right, and not merely being vehicles for the author to teach us right thought. I feel like the authors themselves see the characters as merely vehicles for right thought. This in and of itself I find tyrannical.

The only children’s authors I know personally, are definitely using the characters as vehicles for telling the story. But that’s true of any author and any character. The problem is that in media aimed for the very young (up to pre-teen) the message itself is simplified, therefore the character has to be a stereotype.

In a 20 page book, there isn’t the room to create a deep, multi-layered character - unless that’s the point the author wants to make. Dora the Explorer was a great example for even a young audience - I hated her, but could see her merit.

If the author’s point is to tell a story about a trip to the mall and the book is aimed at six year-olds, the heroine has to be easily recognisable and there can’t be anything in the book that isn’t essential to the plot.

There are books out there, hard to find but worth the effort, where girls are effective dynamic and unstereotypical, but they’re usually aimed at an older audience who can handle the depth of context and language required to present those characters honestly.

Check out Margaret Mahy’s books if you can, especially as your girl gets older - her books for pre-teens are madcap nonsense where a princess may build a tree-fort while wearing her tiara.

My brother was horrified when he discovered how distilled the copy of Little Red Riding Hood someone gave the Nephew for his 3rd birthday was. “Little Red Riding Hood in ten sentences or less” sounds like a good exercise for language class: it shouldn’t be something people pay for.

The Nephew likes my version better. It takes about 15 minutes to tell and the Wolf is SCARY. Oh, and since The Nephew has already latched onto the family’s “wolf love” (our lastname means wolf), I make a point of specifiying that the wolf in question is a bad wolf. There’s nothing wrong with being a wolf, but it is very wrong to go eating grandmothers (little kids are more tender anyway…)

I never quite saw the point of having a “moral message” spelled out at the end of fables, and I definitely don’t see the point of having tales which are reduced to the moral message. The message should be extracted from the story but there needs to be a story.

Okay, I’ll bite. :smiley:

Are you kidding me? That book is nauseating! The relationship with the kid and the tree is SICK! And sure, maybe a parent could discuss with the child how the kid is a sapsucking leech, but most parents don’t give it any thought and figure that if it’s recommended for kids it’s a Good Book. I don’t know what’s worse: The Giving Tree; the insistence that all books, TV shows, etc intended for kids teach a lesson, or referring to children’s books, TV show, etc as “properties.”

Exactly my point. There was one book bold enough to show that not all relationships are sunshine and gumdrops, that not everything ends “happily ever after.” Kids don’t grasp all the implications of some of the things in that book (as in some of the things Manda JO pointed out), but it’s a kids book that doesn’t talk down to the kids.

That’s really more of the parents’ problem than Silverstein’s. I agree that parents should review what they give their kids. Maybe if they read it, they’d see it’s more appropriate for a 10-year-old (for example) than a 6.

[tangental hijack rant]And y’know what annoys me? People’s insistence that reading something is automatically better than other forms of media. Ooo, kids are picking up a book and enjoying it! And it’s 700 pages long! Too bad it’s Harry Potter. Have your kid watch lions eating stuff on National Geographic. It’s just as educational.[/rant]