My first real job

Today, I signed and faxed the contract for my first real job. I guess I just need to talk about it, and collect feedback… hopefully, most of it encouraging and useful.

I went straight through school getting degree after degree; from my first day of freshman classes to my doctoral graduation was exactly eight years. In the year since then, I’ve been doing a postdoc. I’ve also done consulting work for a couple of companies, including one that went batshit crazy on me–I’m so incredibly grateful that I didn’t take a full time position with them. Eesh. Actually, in the last two years, the consulting work has been the bulk of my income.

I thought I was going to be a professor. I actually went through the Ph.D. program so that I could be a professor and have relaxed hours. I grew up with two working parents who had to be at the office from 7:30 - 5:30 every day, so I was always a logistic problem and they were always exhausted in the evenings and busy with chores on the weekends. It just didn’t seem like the optimal way to live. College professors on the other hand basically only have to show up for committee meetings and teaching. That sounded much better. Professors told me I was definitely grad school material. So I went to grad school. Everyone tells stories about how hellish grad school is–for me it was cake. It was easier than my undergraduate degrees, actually.

So I was pretty confident that I was hot stuff and that I was going to get a professorship noooooooo problem. Well, it didn’t happen. I have a wonderful, but mother-hen sort of major professor, and his niche which is now my niche is very small. There were a grand total of fourteen tenure-track positions this year that I dared pretend I could apply for, and I didn’t even get an interview at a single one (because they all want formal semantics. I don’t do formal semantics. I do useful semantics.)

Things were getting desperate. The postdoc was for one year only, things were getting a little weird at the company I do most of my consulting for (though they seem to have stabilized, now), and I didn’t have anything new lined up for next year. Then, a startup company contacted my advisor and he referred them to me. We had a meet & greet, sniffed each others’ bottoms, and today I received and signed an offer for full time employment with them.

It’s an office job! Eeeeeeek! I went to grad school so I wouldn’t have to have one of these! They’re more relaxed than the offices where my parents worked, though. There aren’t any fixed hours, but you’re generally expected to be around 9 - 6ish. It’s also in the next state over, so I’ll be moving. I’ll get to buy a house. Oh, gosh, I’m going to buy a house. I’ve always wanted to do this, and now that I’m going to do it, I’m scared to death. I’m unmarried and basically unattached, too, so I’ll be going completely on my own. No friends. No help. Just me in a strange state with a new job and my first mortgage.

I’ve never had to sit at a desk all day every day in my life. Public school lets out in the middle of the afternoon, and I’ve been in college, doing consulting work and research from my home office since then. Because it’s a college town, it’s pointless to try to go to bed early, so I’ve slipped into a 2-10 sleep schedule. That’s obviously going to have to change. My advisor is strongly encouraging me to convince them that it’s in their best interest to let me work from home a couple days a week. I know he’s right–I really would work better that way, because I will be sharing an office with two other people and I’m awfully darn distractable. I’m also not a terribly high energy person. Generally I get all my work done in one three or four hour burst of energy, then I’m in a coma the rest of the day. I don’t have any strategies for hiding the coma while sitting in an office.

There’s also the issue of them not understanding where I’m coming from and what I can do for them. The senior guy who hired me is really great, but unfortunately I have to do most of the work with a group of younger guys (my age? might they be my age?) who have no idea what my expertise is all about. I’m going to have to establish that with everybody pretty quick, I think, not just to keep myself sane but because they’re paying me a sweet salary and they deserve to get some quality work out of me. Me, the only girl in a room full of smug engineers though? Yeah. I will have to think of something creative to do to make them listen.

So there. I know I’m rambling and yes, I do have a blog, but nobody reads it… and I want some feedback. I’m pathetic, worrying about taking an office job, when everyone else in the world has one and deals with it. So… give me some advice for dealing with it? And about buying a house? And being alone in a new town? And handling office politics, and what you think about a researcher working partly from home, and whether everyone spends most of the day in a coma?

‘Smug engineers’? They’ll be all over you; you’ll be fighting them off!

I’d suggest not buying a house for 6 months or so, just in case.

Congratulations! Good Luck!

And I vote with Quartz. Get an apartment, see if this job will work for you for the long run, and in this location, and really see what sort of commute you might have, and cost of living, and everything before you buy a house.

You aren’t pathetic. You may or may not be a good match for an office job–not everyone does deal well with office jobs. If you still want to be a professor, taking this office job is NOT neccessarily the end of that dream. Or you may find that you CAN work an office job better than you ever dreamed. Still, no matter how well you think you are prepared for the job, that first real job is a scary proposition.

But you can do it. Good luck.

Yes, the buying-a-house thing bears some thought. The down sides of taking an apartment for a few months are that I would have to move twice (I have a house full of real furniture), and that so many years of being a student and living in dormitories, then apartments, then a rented house, have left me with a burning hatred for sharing walls with strangers, and a pretty desperate spiritual need to paint walls, put up shelves, and dig a garden. Real estate in the area I’m moving to is extremely reasonable, and also near a medium-sized metro area. I’m hoping that that means resale would be easy.

Even if the worst came to the worst, and I quit the job (or the company went under, or I was fired), I could still do my consulting work from there. It’s long-distance anyway.

Does it sound like a convincing argument for taking the risk of buying a house?

I don’t know that I’d call it convincing, but I can see why you might want a house. It can be hard to balance the emotional pluses of house ownership vs. the economic pluses of non-house owndership. Just be careful about buying the house that your bank thinks you can afford on your income, just in case . . .

And then concentrate on the good things about your new adventure in home ownership/ real job, etc.

Handling engineers is easy.
Bring food.
Make Dilbertesque jokes.
Profit.

There is no engineer on Earth that can’t be won over with free food or by talking about something technological.

I dont know about the U.S. but here in the U.K., the process of buying a house is expensive, and the process of selling a house more so.

Not that this helps you with your present situation, but I grew up with two university parents (one prof, one librarian) and they were always at their offices 7:30 - 5:00. Plus Mom often had papers to grade and articles to read or edit on evenings and weekends.

I second (or third?) the idea of trying an apartment first. There are few things in this world I hate more than moving, and I wouldn’t want to do it twice in a row either. But unless you already know that area really well, I’d be scared I’d accidentally buy into an area that turns out to be a pain to commute from, or is all Stepford-y, or elects local politicians I can’t stand, or something. Or accidentally *not *buy into a fantastic neighborhood you didn’t know about, but where all the friends you’re about to make live, or where all your favorite restaurants turn out to be, or something.

We just bought our first house ever, and that process may be one of the things I hate more than moving!

Me too / me neither. I gather it’s not unusual. I save the more mindless paperwork for the comas.

I’m unclear on exactly what your job is going to be, and how it’s related to semantics (if it is).

For the most part, I’ve found that working full time is usually less strenuous than I found college and graduate school to be.

Now, working full time, and taking another degree part-time…different story.

What are you going to be doing?

I’m a female engineer who’s a tad sick of having to convince other techies that when I say I’m good with documentation it’s true, damnit, not just some dang ribbon I’m giving myself. Most times it gets solved the first time I’m given a document to write :stuck_out_tongue:

What kind of engineers are you going to be working with?
About 90% of the office people I’ve worked with were in a comma before lunch. I had a bf who’s a natural owl and when he started working “regular office hours” all his friends would tell him “dude, your mates at work must be bad, if you, Mr-I’m-not-awake-before-2pm, are getting kudos for efficiency!” We meant it too, but it’s actually quite normal.

To hide the coma, you open a document and let your mind drift while staring at it. Sort of like looking out the window in a train, only more boring.

I’ll be building “smart” databases that function as the back ends of various search and knowledge extraction applications, and also trying to convince them that putting in a little bit of natural language processing ability would be in their best interest–and then trying to build that processing.

The engineers I will work with are of various sorts, mostly software engineers but for some reason, some electrical and some civil. My degrees are in linguistics, but my official title is going to be “senior research engineer.”

I’m afraid my comas usually happen after lunch. I’m entering one right now, actually. Time for coffee.

Hey. I need to buy a coffee mug to keep in my office.