I have two comments, first off
My member name is Rick. I believe that minty green is responding to RickJay. I am not wild about being told to fuck off and called an asshole in a thread that I have not posted to, and have done nothing to deserve such treatment.:wally
After all it’s easy to tell us apart, I’m the good looking one. 
Secondly, I have to wonder why anyone with more than a room temperture IQ would leave the US if there was any doubt about their status.
Is that a whoosh, or are you serious?
Why on earth would you think that Minty would be telling somebody who wasn’t even in the thread to “fuck off”? 
We all frequently abbreviate user names in the course of a heated conversation–“Minty”, “Lib”, etc. Relax. Nobody’s talking to you. 
Abbreviation of names is cool, I do it myself. But when that abbreviation becomes the exact name of a different poster there can be a problem with mixing up just who is being considered a putz.
Reading a thread and finding
** kinda pisses me off, as it attributes statements of another to me. This is a misquote of the worst kind.
I don’t need some elses words getting me in trouble, I can do that all on my own, and all by myself.
I’m not trying to be an asshole about this, I just don’t want a casual reader to mix me up with RickJay based on minty green’s posts.
Wow, it’s amazing what you can do without trying, then.
Give your fellow Dopers enough credit that they can follow a debate and work out the difference between RickJay and Rick, especially when the latter doesn’t even appear in the thread!!!
**Nobody would have.
When two people are standing there talking, and one of them says to the other, “Fuck you, Hillary!”, Hillary Clinton doesn’t suddenly jump into the conversation and say to him, “Hey, don’t tell me ‘fuck you’, I wasn’t even in this conversation!” And bystanders don’t assume that he’s talking to Hillary Clinton, because she wasn’t even in the conversation, and they realized that.
There are a number of other posters here with “Duck” names–Why A Duck, Duckster–but I don’t jump into a thread where somebody says “Fuck you, Duck!” to either of them and post, “Hey, don’t tell me ‘fuck you’, I wasn’t even in this thread!”
We have an Ace309 and an AceOSpades and an AceofSwords, and when somebody tells one of them, “Fuck you, Ace!” the other two don’t immediately jump into the thread and post, “Hey, don’t tell me ‘fuck you’, I wasn’t even in this thread!”
Nobody’s going to mix you up with RickJay. We can all read. One poster is named “RickJay”, the other one is named “Rick”. It’s not a problem. Relax.
december has spent months on end consistently supporting the notion that the US government should have total discretion and unquestioned powers in how it fights this undefined war on terrorism. Even to the point of denying people their basic judicial guarantees and other human rights.
Now he says his cousin’s entry is being delayed but he admits he does not even know the details and it may well be his cousin was technically breaking the law. And december is upset over this? doesn’t it occur to him to find out the exact details and understand the case before he gets so upset? Doesn’t it occur to him that the government has chosen to use their INS resorces in their “fight against terrorism” and therefore other, less urgent, matters will have to wait?
I do not see december’s position as coherent in the least. I find it very contradictory. We have discussed moany, more blatant cases, of non-citizens being given hardship and december has never done anything but support the government in their actions.
I have said in several of those threads that those who so staunchly defended the government did so because they did not see any risk that the measures would apply to themselves or their immediate family and they would change their point of view if similar laws applied to themselves. This thread is just proof positive of just how right I am.
When you’re finished basking in your self-adulation, kindly show where December has ever supported a policy of a three year delay for Canadian citizens to reenter the United States and be with their spouses — not where you have assumed by reading interstices and penumbras that he supported such, but where he in fact did.
No 1- He still has not presented any clear evidence that his cousin is even entitled to a visa. Let’s start with that. To rant that your cousin is not getting a visa when you do not even know if and how he is entitled to one is kind of pointless.
No 2- december has consistently supported the US government in decisions which were much worse and inflicted much more hardship on people. To demand that he did so in a case which is exactly like this one is just silly. If you cannot see the contradiction in his stance, that’s OK. The rest of us seem to have no trouble seeing it.
Fuck you, Rick.
Sailor wrote:
I always wondered about that, and now I know. “The rest of us” is comprised of Sailor and Minty. Are you two also the famous “they” as in, “well, you know what they say”?
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Actually, yes, you probably are.
I’ve been on the boards for quite some time and have many, many posts to my name, including one of the most infamously TMI thread starters in board history, so it’s pretty common for people to call me “Rick” just to save keystrokes. There’s also Bricker, whose name is also Rick. Don’t take it personally.
Read the thread and you will see a number of people who are not Minty or sailor but you choose to not address the points I made and be an asshole instead. Of course, that comes as little surprise to me considering your posting history. And now here we have clear proof about the saying about “assholes of a feather etc.”. I’d hate to have you on my side of any argument.
As of this writing, your posts and Minty’s together comprise 25% of the thread — a full quarter of all posts here, and more than December and I put together. One other person, Guin, who joined you early on to bash December, backed off and apologized after her accusation that December supports racial profiling was proved false.
But I am not the only one defending December from these vile attacks on his character. RickJay has defended him consistently, as has Neurotik. Other posters, such as Eva Luna, have posted actual constructive advice for him.
This business of I’m sorry for your family’s suffering but you deserve it is completely evil in its conception. I can’t recall having read any of your posts before now, but if this is typical of you, you won’t have to be concerned about my being on your side of most arguments.
Hey Rick, FUCK you!
Now that I AM in this thread, let me contribute. December, that sucks! Three years is too long of a time for family to be apart. Now to everyone else. **December **states in the OP that he understand and agree with the need for security in the regard to letting non-US citizens into the us but that he believes that three years is to long. I agree. Now being a relative newcomer to posting in the pit (I tend to lurk in GQ), I don’t know December’s thoughts and ideas on this subject. So I read the links that others provided to get a better idea of who he is. Nothing I read led me to believe that the OP is hypocritacle in any way.
Sailor, I like your posting style (short and to the point), but I disagree with this. If December was told of a john doe that was in the same situation as his family is in now and he (December) put as much thought towards the subject as he has towards the one concerning his family, I’m willing to believe that he would say “you know what, that john doe has to wait three years and I think that amount of delay is unconscionable.” So in short, yes I think December’s position would be the same.
minty, I think that you imply a little to much here and went to far and what does this have to do with the OP? Lib was dead on in his response to this post. Also
this and the other analogys you gave I consider very bad, and not on point. I like** rickjay’s **better.
People, the OP is complaining about the wait, not the law.
Lib:
Yes, that would indeed be evil. Now kindly demonstrate where I have said anything like the underlined text. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I wasn’t even talking to you, Minty, but to Sailor. All the same, I have never known of an alleged hypocrite who was undeserving of an ironic fate. Bitterly ironic, in fact.
Nobody deserves unjust things to happen to them, Lib. Not even people who support doing unjust things to others.
And just so we’re clear on the matter, I can’t find anything from sailor stating that december “deserves” his family’s suffering. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has said any such thing in this thread.
You can be willing to believe whatever you want but I have been locking horns with decembr in several threads in the past where he did say that this type of abuses and worse were acceptable because the security of the country was at stake. I do not remembe you participating in those threads. Did you at least read them? For me they are more than sufficient evidence of where december stands on these issues and his position in those threads is diametrically opposed to his position here. If the governmenty has and needs the leeway to expel or imprison people without recorse then it has the authority to say it will use its resources in other, more urgent areas, and tell the guy to wait it out in Canada. Or does it make sense that they can put him in jail without explanation for three years and that would be OK but it is not OK to make him wait outside.
And again, for fucking out loud, december does not even know the circumstances and does not even know if the guy is entitled to a visa in the first place. For all we know the guy might belong in jail. So if anyone is getting worked up over this they are getting all worked up over a non-issue because we do not know the guy is entitled to anything. Sheesh.
This is, indeed, an extremely sad situation. But it’s also an object lesson for everyone. With apologies to Martin Niemoeller,
In America, they came first for the Pakistanis, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Pakistani. Then they came for the Arabs, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an Arab. Then they came for the Middle-Easterners, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Middle-Easterner. Then they came for the Muslims, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Muslim. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.
With no apologies to Judge Alex Kozinski, (as this is a direct quote,) “Liberty–the freedom from unwarranted intrusion by government–is as easily lost through insistent nibbles by government officials who seek to do their jobs too well as by those whose purpose it is to oppress; the piranha can be as deadly as the shark.”
Even in the freest, most just society, civil liberties are about everyone’s rights. There is no law that only applies to “them;” no injustice that only happens to those who deserve it. There is only “us.” If it can happen to an innocent, innocuous person who had the bad luck to be born in Pakistan, it can happen to you or a member of your family.
That’s what civil liberties are really all about. We like to think that the great struggles are all in the past. Sadly, it’s not true and probably will never be true. There is always a need to speak up – expediency never justifies silence. On the contrary, even if there is some extraordinary emergency that justifies infringing on civil liberties, it is everyone’s duty to speak out to ensure that the “state of emergency” doesn’t become the status quo and that every infringement is absolutely necessary rather than merely a half-baked idea or bureaucratic whim imposed in the face of a massive outpouring of public apathy.
Please provide a cite of december defending administrative incompetence and/or 3-year wait times for processing forms.
Yeah, didn’t think so.