Illegal Immigrants and their sob stories.

The BBQ Pit
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I was listening to NPR today and they were discussing how thousands of Pakistani people among others were fleeing to Canada for fear of having to register with the INS and possibly being deported.

What about us, they cry. I feel as though I’m not wanted, they lament.

Guess what, guys, I have news for you: You’re really not wanted.

You came into this country illegally. You have no right to be here. If you came legally, then I would welcome you with open arms. Welcome to America, I would say. Hope you enjoy your stay.

These people who sneak across the border, in large numbers I might add, should not be made to enjoy their stay. They should be made to go back to their homes.

I understand that things may be unfortunate for you where you came from. I really do. But being broke doesn’t give anyone the right to rob the bank, does it? Of course not. Let your government deal with your problems instead of bringing them here for us to deal with. We have enough problems of our own.

Further, I can’t help but marvel at the people who do come here illegally and then complain about how terrible the US is as a country. If it’s so bad, why did you come here? Surely you must find some redeeming value of our country, else you wouldn’t have come here.

I’m fairly certain that I can’t go to Europe without a visa or passport and that my stay would be limited. Why then should my country extend to you the right to stay essentially forever?

I know that I’m coming off as a xenophobe here, but I compare this to some knucklehead who gets caught robbing somebody and then sues the family they robbed for damages.

What a crock. Wanna come to America? Do it legally, please. That’s not too much to ask, is it?

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Didn’t realize that illegals were being asked to register w/INS. Thought it was the legal immigrents who were being asked.

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Off the top of my head, in the last month, I’ve met at least 2 dozen Americans living in Ireland illegally. I’ll be sure to report them.

:rolleyes:

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Please do, Anahita. I certainly have no problem with that.

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I, too, thought it was legal immigrants who were going to Canada through fear of the INS.

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wring, sorry I didn’t address your post.

My understanding is that everyone had to register who fit the requirement, legal or not. Naturally, the ones who are illegal won’t register, so that is de facto justification for deportation. If my understanding is incorrect I’ll gladly eat crow on that point.

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well, Doors, do you have a cite to say who’s being asked to register??

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wring

Bingo. It seems the OP got it wrong. It’s non-immigrant visa holders. That could be someone with a student visa, NOT an illegal immigrant. It applies to all NON-CITIZENS*, as you can see below.
“*This registration will enroll certain temporary foreign visitors who entered before NSEERS’ implementation at the ports of entry on September 11, 2002. This requirement only applies to males 16 years or older. The registration process requires the visitor to speak with an INS officer about their stay and activities in the United States, provide fingerprints, and have their photo taken. Most are students, individuals in the U.S. on business travel, or individuals visiting family members. The requirement to register with INS does NOT apply to U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents (green card holders), refugees, asylum applicants, asylum grantees, and diplomats or others admitted under “A” or “G” visas.”
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Hrmmmm…that’s odd.

Ok, here’s another link, with links to the INS documents.

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What in the world does that mean :confused:

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"What if the individual entered the United States illegally?

If the individual entered the country without INS inspection and did not receive an I-94 card, they are not required to register."
http://www.nih.gov/od/ors/dirs/isb/inssrfaq.htm#who

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Sorry 'bout that. Obviously, the site where I c and p’d that didn’t want me to link to them. I’ve provided another one.

Also, the second word is a typo.

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CNN story about Pakistanis leaving the USA:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/31/canada.border.closing/index.html

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so you have no illegal immigrant blood in you?

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Nothing like listening to the radio with half an ear to get your healthy dose of self-righteous anger up, eh Doors? Nothing like a false premise as foundation for blanket condemnation.

Enjoy your crow, sir.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2647183.stm

[quote]
Anyone not complying may be detained or deported if their visas have expired or if they have otherwise violated US immigration law.

[quote]

That is essentially the gist of the program that I heard. I looked on the NPR site and they didn’t have what I had heard yet.

The first quote is referring to the people who would be affected by the law, i.e. illegals. The second quote confirms what I heard, and since the article is from 10 January, I think we’re seeing the results of those fears now.

Do I approve of the stereotyping of the people affected? No. Do I dislike greatly the whining from people who aren’t justified to be here? Greatly.

Twisty, do you? I’m sure because I may or may not I’m unjustified in saying anything, right? So let’s just cast open all borders everywhere since none of us are truly natives anywhere. I’m really not sure why you felt that that comment had any bearing on the discussion. I’ll think about it, anyway.

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Actually, it’s the legal immigrants who are being persecuted and treated like cattle.

I guess they’re not wanted. Even if they, for the most part, are probably there legally.

In Canada, when you land here even as an “illegal”, you are treated as a refugee. As a person, protected by our charter of rights and freedoms. It is not so in the US.

Hopefully they will seek refugee status in Canada, where the screening is just as tough, but is a bit more… human.

And trust me, I know about both systems… - I’m in the process of becoming INS’ bitch…

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I’d bet dollars to donuts that the bulk of “these people” did no sneaking at all, but came in legally on visitors, or student visas. You have no idea what a pain in the ass the INS can be when you are trying to renew a visa, or apply for citizenship. A friend of mine waited over a year for an application to be acted upon, and it only was so after she hired a lawyer. So for six months she was “unwanted” according to you, despite the fact that she is married to an American citizen, had a job, and applied for a visa six months early. I’ll grant you that there are a whole bunch of folks in this country who aren’t here legally. However, I hardly think you are an authority on who is “wanted” and who is not.

Moreover, perhaps if the government in all of it’s wisdom wasn’t arresting people who were registering, they’d probably be a bit more willing to register. Does the government really think Joe Potential Terrorist is going to register? That’s going to be a damned if the do, damned if they don’t situation too. If they’re registered and do something wrong, who will we blame then?

In addition, I believe we have a poster on these boards who was afraid to register now due to missing the registration date because he changed his school address without informing the INS. Foolish perhaps, but should he be deported for it? Personally I don’t think so.

But mostly I think, where the fuck does the US government get off having citizens of certain countries, register? I’ll tell you what, after knowing what has happened historically after “registrations” I’d be running for the hills too.

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however, in your OP you raged at those who had “come here illegally”, saying that you’d welcome w/open arms those who’d come here legally. Yet, seems that those being targeted had come here legally, but somehow have managed to not keep up on the mountains of requirements and new requirements since their arrival. aint’ the same thing as your OP.

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Actually, as part of what I heard, Canada is turning them away or sending them back to the US.

Damn, I wish I could find a transcript on npr.org in order to support that assertion, since none of you accept hearsay.