My September 11 Thoughts

Nice one - unfortunately I had to use the Googles to figure out the joke.

Yep-I can’t think of a better reason to delve further into the possibility on thermite being the cause of the Trade Center disaster than the fact that there was absolutely no evidence that thermite was placed there, absolutely no evidence that thermite could have been placed there, and absolutely no evidence that traces of thermite were found there afterward.

Shiite, once the CT’ers find out I had a convenient excuse to not be in NYC that day, my life is f-ed. :frowning:

And once they find out I was in “Canada” that day I am also screwed.

That’s just what they want you to believe.

Your first link has nothing to explain the collapse time though it uses the word model. The second does not contain the word model. And the videos do not have the full collapses of the skyscrapers.

So what you claim is modelling isn’t about anything. We can see simulations of planes torn apart on impact. Big Deal! I have not been saying anything about that. The Purdue impact simulation only did the top 20 stories and had no horizontal movement of the tower even though the NIST says the south tower deflected 12 inches 130 feet below where the aircraft impacted. So just because a model is done does not make it worth a damn.

So there must be a model and complete data on the result. Of course then the people analysing the results have to have the brains to do it. Just throwing around the word model doesn’t cut it

psik

Yes, the physics was solved for the Empire State Building which was completed in 1931 before the neutron was discovered in 1932.

This entire 9/11 business is extremely stupid. Everyone is supposed to just BELIEVE the people claiming the collapse was possible don’t have to PROVE IT. Engineering schools don’t have to demonstrate something that is supposed to be simple. But what engineering schools have actually made an official statement about 9/11? People come on these message boards and make pompous statements about what the truth is, but what school has actually taken a stand on the subject?

Anybody have a link for that?

The center of mass of the tilted top portion of the south tower doesn’t even have to be mentioned much less discussed. Did a 22 degree tilt move it outside of the footprint of the core or not? Who knows? Just BELIEVE it must be irrelevant. :smiley:

psik

Pretty much the entire engineering world disagrees with your sentiments.

I think I’ll go with them. To date they have produced and impressive array of engineering marvels.

You have produced some nitpicking on message boards.

They have proven it to the satisfaction of the vast, vast majority of engineers and architects around the world. That they have not satisfied your pedantic, irrelevant nitpicking about floor weights and horizontal movements is not really a concern of theirs.

I sent a private message to the OP three days ago. No response. I see no point in continuing to respond on a thread that the OP has abandoned.

I just got back from a 800 mph road trip. Ran into a man working on his PhD in history. I never met him before and he said he couldn’t believe planes could make the buildings come down like that.

The point is just that lots of people who are accused of being Truthers have just given up talking about it. When people claiming to be rational and scientific won’t even admit that the NIST never even specified the total amount of concrete in the towers in 10,000 pages though they do it for the steel and never even explain the collapses then there is not much point in continuing to talk.

psik

Wait, wha…?

I mean, I’m trying to parse out this sentence as best as I can and it still make absolutely no sense.

Unless…

Chadwick! You maniac! You blew them up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

(I’m now convinced.)

So… you met a dude who not only doesn’t have any expertise in a field related to the WTC collapse, he doesn’t even have any expertise in a field that’s not related to the WTC collapse.

This is your most convincing cite yet!

In the matter of facts, belief is not required.

A history teacher does not have enough facts, therefore he relies on belief.

Well if someone with a Phd in History doubts it, then surely the engineers must be wrong somehow!

Yeah, it stopped being trendy and the Bush left the White House. Plus a good number of them just grew up and gained a lick of sense.

When people who are rational and scientific find your pedantic nitpicking to be irrelevant to the modeling involved, maybe you should re-assess what you think is a great NIST ‘gotcha’.

Is that relevant? The people who studied the collapse need to understand how it initiated. Once the collapse started, the exact length of time it took is irrelevant.

Is that relevant? Who cares how far the tower deflected when it was struck?

Who cares? It’s irrelevant!

Is there a reason you feel that you need to know any of this stuff? It’s like demanding to know what color the tablecloths were in the restaurant at the top of WTC1, or you’re not going to accept the findings. Maybe you should explain why you think it’s important first.

Well, you know, I’m not sure I would have believed it either, if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes.

ETA: (Which is probably what that History professor dude meant when he found himself in a conversation with some random Truther.)

Good for you!
But then

  1. Either psikeyhackr contradicted himself, or
  2. He is admitting that his posts have no points.

There can never be a model complete enough to satisfy truthers. The nitpicking would never stop because they didn’t know the exact wind load on the buildings at the time or didn’t take into account that office on the 42nd floor that got a new copier the week before, or whatever.

Maybe you should slow the hell down then. :wink:

I tend to agree.

We could build a full sized replica, recreate the conditions of the collapse (without the jet crash) by dumping tons and tons of jet fuel on exposed members and purposely damaging exterior elements, and Truther nuts would simply argue about how many clouds were in the sky or how much water was being pumped in the building or the combined weight of the people trapped in the building or some other inane objection.

JFK assassination creations have be done lots of times, and it doesn’t stop those guys. No reason to think logic or reason has any bearing on this lot.

First you claim to have run into a man at 800 mph. Then you claim that he told you something. After that, I have no reason to believe anything you post.

(And, of course, if he did make the claim that you attribute to him, it simply demonstrates that “working” on a PhD does not prevent a person from just being stupid or ignoring facts. No serious person claims that the planes made the buildings come down. The fact is that the planes initiated a series of events, including massive fires, and the fires made the buildings come down.)