MythBusters Proved This?

Under one of those suggested posts (I think) on FB about Titanic facts, someone posted more victims could have saved themselves by grabbing the right collection of ordinary articles to keep themselves afloat. Does anyone recall this episode? How in the world did they simulate this?

Don’t forget the Titatic hit the iceberg near midnight, and the passengers were not immediately alerted. So, you are abruptly awoken. The hallways are already flooded. The ship is probably already tilting upwards. And, you are going to think what to grab in a few seconds to save yourself?

I’d love to see how Mythbusters thinks they proved it would be possible! Perhaps, they dabble in all theory, at best!

  1. Mythbusters don’t prove anything, their trials are not rigorous enough to stand up definitively.

  2. They did do an episode about James Cameron’s movie Titanic, rather than the actual disaster itself. It was a 2012 episode called Titanic Survival.

Grabbing something that’ll keep you afloat isn’t enough, anyway. Most of the victims died from hypothermia, not from drowning.

As I recall, the tested specifically whether Leo’s character could have fit on the floating door with Kate’s character. Whether they’d survive hypothermia is a different matter.

Float, float, what could possibly float? Dinner service? Coal scuttle? Grand piano? If only I’d paid attention in Physics!

Are you arguing with a non-existent episode of a cancelled TV program?

Great big thing made out of steel with a thousand people on it?

Well, yes and no.

Life jackets. There were plenty of those. In fact, most of the hypothermia victims were found wearing them.

Other than this, grab some of the floating debris. Lots of furnishings, deckchairs, and other wooden stuff floating around. Whoops, hypothermia rears its ugly head again! :frowning:

Imagine how many lives would have been saved if a large number of jet skis were being transported on deck for the trip

I own all the seasons and I used to put them on in the background, so I’ve seen all of them at least 3 times.

As the others have noted, the only related episode is the Titanic episode, with James Cameron.

Effectively, what they test is how quickly hypothermia takes effect, in water and in air, which they have tuned to match what the conditions would have been that night.

To do this, they build a ballistics gelatin figure of a human with a circulatory system inside of it, with fluid (water - taking the place of blood) running through the pipes, that comes out the top of the head. A small heater attempts to keeps the circulating fluid warm, at about the same ability as the human body has to keep itself warm, before recirculating it back into and through the body.

They cloth the body and put it into a bath of icy water and time how long it takes for the body’s core temperature to drop to fatal levels.

They warm the body back up, dunk it into the ice water, then raise it onto a plank above the icy water into the chill air and again time how long it takes for the core temperature to drop to fatal levels.

Using historic research, they know how long the people had to be able to survive to be discovered and determine that it’s plausible that a person on a plank above the water could have been discovered just before they would have died.

A person in the water for the whole duration, no such luck. (I don’t remember this bit, but I believe that to be the case.)

Overall, not a bad test. Among their better, in a sense.

Some aspects where I think we could say that the test is only grossly applicable:

  1. The body they molded was a large, beefcake sort of guy. A smaller woman or a skinny lad like Leonardo di Caprio would, presumably, get cold faster.
  2. The average depth of the pipes in the body would be different from a human body.
  3. The overall materials and layering of materials between a human body and the figure would be very different (layers of fat over the body in some places vs. bone backing in others, etc.)
  4. When the body gets cold, it is able to restrict bloodflow to the limbs. The dummy figure is incapable of such a thing (though, the piping was probably not as extensive as the total human circulatory system, so it might not be so completely far off for the conditions it was modeling).
  5. The dummy was 100% out of the water while in Titanic the headboard that the girl was lying on was floating on had water coming up onto part of it, coming into contact with her legs and feet. This would have sapped heat out of her more quickly.

On the whole, I’d say that if you’re a large fellow and you can find something large enough to get you completely out of the water, then your chances of surviving would have been improved. But I think we can safely say that anyone who was able to move well in enough in the icy water, calmly-headed enough, would have certainly tried to make use of anything they could. I doubt that there’s anyone who, given sufficient presence of mind, wouldn’t have made the attempt to utilize whatever the boat was spitting out, so it’s a bit silly to say that “if the people had only tried getting on the flotsam…”

On the other hand, it may be conceivable that if the crew and captain had been more organized and creative, they could have lead construction of make-shift boats from tables and tarpaulin or who-knows-what. It looks like they had two hours.

Of course, this is before bungee cord and duct tape. Throwing something together may have been a lot more difficult back then.

Wasn’t the original research on this done by the Nazis using concentration camp inmates?

Well, the FIRST thing you do when on a sinking ship in icy waters is put on a heavy wool jacket so the hypothermia doesn’t get you…

:stuck_out_tongue:

They did that supposedly to study how to improve the survival of pilots shot down in Russia. I believe they did it for kicks.

Hey, we’re Fighting Ignorance here.

I believe they did it for a Klondike Bar.

I’ve always wondered about this. Sure, reserve the lifeboats for the women and children (although many lifeboats were not full, due to confusion), but you’d think a ship of that era would be chock full of 50 gallon barrels and tubs and barrels from the galley, not to mention Joe and the Volcano-sized steamer trunks. If it were a choice of nobly hanging out on the deck listening to “Nearer My God to Thee” or trying to MacGyver a raft together, I’d probably go with the raft.

Admittedly, I don’t know how accessible various areas of the boat were – it took less than three hours for the ship to sink which makes for a mighty compressed episode of Junkyard Wars.

In A Night to Remember, Walter Lord tells the tale of a chef who got bombed on whiskey as the ship was going down. He then donned a fur coat, stuffed a bottle into his pocket, and made his way to the stern. (I believe there was a brief shot of this happening in Titanic.) IIRC, he was the last person to leave the ship (he just stepped off the rail as it disappeared below the water; there was no suction) and, bouyed by his fur coat and insulated by his whiskey, miraculously survived. He was recovered by one of the lifeboats sometime later.

Believe it or not!

Except that alcohol dilates the blood vessels just under and in the skin thus* hastening* hypothermia.

…Which is why his survival was miraculous.

Perhaps the used up less energy while he was “comatose”.

What if a passenger coated themselves in cooking fat from the galley? Wouldn’t that keep them both insulated and buoyant?

If I went to the galley, I’d grab one of those giant stockpots to use as a makeshift boat rather than trying to coat myself in cooking fat.