Names of Gays Arrested by US Military

[Paul_in_Qatar]

In order to slam dunk a fellow on a lesser part of the internet, I need the names (and links to news stories) of US soldiers killed, or jailed for being Gay.

Little help?

[Dcypher]

If I am not mistaken, being homosexual in the military is not a crime, but is treated as an administrative reason to separate the individual from the service. In the mid 80’s, such administrative discharges were handled in a pretty quiet manner.

[Balthisar]

For the being killed part, I’m assuming you mean hate crimes by fellow soldiers? The military has no current policy to execute homosexuals unless guilty of a capital crime, so I’m doubtful anyone will be able to provide a cite.

Additionally, military gays aren’t jailed unless awaiting trial (or found guilty) for having committed a crime. Barring this, they’re administratively discharged from service. Again, I’m doubtful that anyone will be able to provide a cite.

[Paul_in_Qatar]

Yes, I am afraid I used "locked up’ when I should have said, ‘beaten to death,’ but I will be gosh-darned if I am going to back down!

[Ravenman]

@Paul_in_Qatar

In order to slam dunk a fellow on a lesser part of the internet, I need the names (and links to news stories) of US soldiers killed, or jailed for being Gay.

Little help?

The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network compiles news articles, statistics, and other information relating to their opposition to DADT. I just browsed their site (http://www.sldn.org/) and wasn’t able to find any information on arrests or murders.

There are statistics on discharges, and testimonials of various kinds of abuse or poor treatment, but not specifically what you’re seeking. Which, if I read your OP correctly, is what you’re seeking to confirm.

[sachertorte]

PFC Barry Winchell

[Paul_in_Qatar]

Got Winchell and Provost I had to fall back on the Newport Scandal.

[klsdad]

@Paul_in_Qatar

In order to slam dunk a fellow on a lesser part of the internet, I need the names (and links to news stories) of US soldiers killed, or jailed for being Gay.

Little help?

If it was a slam dunk you should be able to name them right off the top of your head.

Are gays harmed more in the military than they are in the real world?

[DrDeth]

@sachertorte

PFC Barry Winchell

Actually, he doesn’t seem to have been gay, although certainly the fights that ended in his murder were caused by “gay bashing” and name-calling. Even if gay men were allowed to serve openly and with pride in the US Armed Services this could have occured.

Sorry Paul, I don’t think there’s anything. It’s not a crime, and there seems to have been almost no instances of military men being murdered because they were gay.

The Newport sex scandal was in **1919 **, and the methods used by the (clearly anti-gay) prosecution were roundly denounced and never again repeated.

[Paul_in_Qatar]

It was a strange and interesting episode in FDR’s career.

[spenczar]

@Dcypher

If I am not mistaken, being homosexual in the military is not a crime, but is treated as an administrative reason to separate the individual from the service. In the mid 80’s, such administrative discharges were handled in a pretty quiet manner.

Correct - that’s even the exact words in the US Code:

(b) Policy.— A member of the armed forces shall be separated from the armed forces under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense if one or more of the following findings is made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such regulations:
(1) That the member has engaged in, attempted to engage in, or solicited another to engage in a homosexual act or acts unless there are further findings, made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such regulations, that the member has demonstrated that—
INDENT such conduct is a departure from the member’s usual and customary behavior;
(B) such conduct, under all the circumstances, is unlikely to recur;
(C) such conduct was not accomplished by use of force, coercion, or intimidation;
(D) under the particular circumstances of the case, the member’s continued presence in the armed forces is consistent with the interests of the armed forces in proper discipline, good order, and morale; and
(E) the member does not have a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts.
(2) That the member has stated that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual, or words to that effect, unless there is a further finding, made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in the regulations, that the member has demonstrated that he or she is not a person who engages in, attempts to engage in, has a propensity to engage in, or intends to engage in homosexual acts.
(3) That the member has married or attempted to marry a person known to be of the same biological sex.[/INDENT]

[Uncertain]

Is this a test of our abilities to interpret commas?

[Paul_in_Qatar]

Thank you all.

[Bricker]

I don’t think PFC Barry Winchell was gay. His “crime” appears to be his heterosexual interest in and relationship with a female who was born a biological male.

[Bricker]

@Paul_in_Qatar

Thank you all.

So did you back down?

[Paul_in_Qatar]

No I had to go with the 1919 thing. Really, I had backed myself into a corner through my own ignorance. Homosexuals are (or even were) rarely locked up, they were most often discharged.