Yes.
I will say that kids should not be screaming bloody murder unless there actually is something wrong. Shouting, playing, whatever. I once heard a girl in our neighborhood scream so shrilly I thought she was getting raped. I kneejerked and ran out the front door, and there she was, playing with the neighborhood kids.
Parents should emphasize this. Otherwise, when they really are in trouble, who’s going to believe them? There is a “I’m having fun” noise and an “I’m getting abducted” noise.
Kids.
And I know even sven was just picking on curlcoat, but discovering the joys of motherhood by having your own? :shudder: I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, to have kids when they didn’t want them. 
Yeah, I should point out that most of us that are ranting about kids in Vegas aren’t ranting about all kids in Vegas. Like I originally said, if there are some kids happily playing in the pool, making some non horrific (ie: my ears aren’t bleeding after) happy kid noises, and not being rude-- rock on, little kids. What’s obnoxious is when the kids are left to their own devices because mommy and daddy are too busy doing shots to pay attention to their kids. I, like anyone in this thread, I’m sure, get annoyed when I’m trying to relax and I’m getting splashed by a shrieking group of monsters doing cannon balls over and over and over and over and over (me and everyone in a 20 foot radius).
I don’t have kids, but I don’t hate all kids. Actually, I don’t hate any kids- it isn’t their fault if their acting like assholes. I’d guess there’s a strong relationship between kids acting like assholes in casinos and by pools…and parents who are assholes. Just my WAG.
Well if you can’t afford an exclusive resort then I guess you’ll just have to rub shoulders with the proletariat like the rest of us.
Yes - constantly surrounded by nasty people, including children, because you are nasty to people, including children. I never saids ‘just’ parents and children - that’s your interpretation. There is no backpedaling, I still stand by my original statement. If I were backpedaling I wouldn’t do that.
Ha, I like how you added so many lovely embellishments to that story after you realized how stupid it sounded before. Kids just riding down the lane strikes me as pretty harmless and normal for a certain age, and FWIW I doubt their parents know they’re doing it.
Anyways, it’s not that I think kids should be able to do whatever they want, it’s that I have some sense of reason about how annoyed I get when they do kid things. I actually don’t particularly care for children, but they are a part of society at large and therefore they do have to right to exist wherever you are, unless that place has been declared adult-only. There are lots of things that annoy me - obnoxious drunken frat boys, old ladies on the bus who want to talk to me when I’m not in the mood, door-to-door Jehovah’s Witnesses, barking dogs, neighbours who mow their lawn at 8am on a Saturday, people who sit outside their friends house and honk instead of going to the door, and yes - screaming children. But all of these things can and do exist in my neighbourhood, and many of them can and do also exist when you’re on vacation. In fact, sometimes I’m sure I am doing something that annoys someone, but I don’t know about it. That’s just part of living in a community, and if you’re going to let every little thing get your panties in such a bunch then you’re going to be awfully miserable a lot of the time.
Same goes for vacation - just because it’s Vegas doesn’t mean you get to decide who will be there and who won’t. A mix of people will be there, and some will be annoying. Sure, some kids will be way beyond a normal level of slightly irritating kid behaviour, and I can get behind a pitting of them, but not a pitting of all children who dare show their faces in Vegas. If you let normal everyday annoyances get under your skin and ruin your vacation (OMG, kids playing in the pool I want to get drunk in!), then that’s really your own problem, IMHO.
If you can afford to take children to Maui most every year, your concept of what makes a cheap motel room is probably not valid. For example, I go to Vegas maybe 3-4 times a year, but I have never been able to afford to go to Hawaii.
Wouldn’t tend to be very good for the kids either. It always amazes me when people insist that someone will love kids when they are their own. What if they don’t? You can’t give them back! Aside from the hell that the parent would end up going thru, why do people who claim to love children want them to have parents that wish they hadn’t been born?
Does anyone IRL take you seriously? Or do you just jump to excessive conclusions in here for show?
Well, since you’ve changed your story again, I don’t know which statement to believe, so I’ll just go with that original one. Which again, you have to know is a lie. If nothing else, no one is " constantly surrounded by nasty people" and I highly doubt that anyone could be nasty to everyone. I know I’m not, and it has been shown in here, so either you are willfully lying or doing that excessive jumping again.
Actually, I just explained to you what “private road” entails. Trespassing.
Huh. So you don’t think it’s reasonable to get annoyed by screaming (not shouting, not yelling) for hours, or screaming past midnight, or trespass, or destruction of property? It’s not like I’ve said anything about the kids that play ball in the street in front of my house, because I don’t really care about that as long as they don’t break anything of mine. And while I think it’s extremely bad parenting, I’m not annoyed by the toddlers that run up and down the sidewalk across the street. Until they start screaming (not shouting, not yelling), then I give up on gardening and go into the house.
But God forbid I complain about it! They’re just children, doing children things. It’s not like their parents should be, I dunno, taking responsibility for teaching them manners or anything.
The difference there is some of that is illegal and most of it doesn’t get defended when folks complain. But dare to complain because some asshole parents thought it was a good idea to let their kids and kids’ friends scream in their front yard for hours on end while they got their drink on? Nope, not allowed because they are just chylren.
I don’t believe anyone said that. Just more of your exaggerations it appears.
Quite a lot of people believe the love for one’s child is biological and impossible not to have. I personally agree that it’s the default, but people are really good at screwing up those defaults.
Do not bitch about an envolutionarily advantageous behavior pattern.
I love to travel. I’ve traveled to Phoenix, Sedona, Maui, Boston, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Maui, Big Island, Oahu, Hilton Head, Chicago, Detroit, Gatlinburg, and Niagara Falls (Canada) in recent years. Of ALL the places that I’ve listed, none of them *except Orlando * offers hotel rates as low as I’ve seen in Vegas. My parents either get their hotel room completely free or less than $50 per night with the comps they earn with their gambling cards.
I book their flights because they’re afraid of the internet. And they routinely get fares around $250.
Now that’s a cheap vacation, even if you bring the kids along.
Okay, well why do you think it is that you seem to have sooooo many problems with other people, particularly children, when the rest of us do not seem to have these problems? Your constant claim that the rest of us just love children and will let them do anything doesn’t work since many of us have clarified that we are childless and don’t even care for children. So why is it that you always have some kid to complain about when others don’t?
Also, where have you ‘shown’ that you’re not nasty to everyone? I’ve never seen evidence of that.
Uh, it may be the default behavior for a majority of people, but for those who don’t have it, that doesn’t mean they are screwed up. :dubious:
I’m not sure comparing other places to rooms in Vegas that are cheap because of comps is valid.
I travel quite a bit around the west as well as a few trips east, and I don’t pay $100 more or less a night any place except Vegas. Of course, I’ve never had to get a hotel room in San Diego, I’ve never been to Hawaii and you couldn’t pay me to go back to Seattle, but otherwise I’ve been to most of those places.
Now, one doesn’t have to spend $100 a night in Vegas - I am currently there (here?) this weekend, and because I’m cheap as hell I’m in a Motel 6. But I’m not here on vacation. OTOH this is close to the most expensive Motel 6 I’ve stayed at, but it was better than the $120 a night where I wanted to stay.
Depends on the number of kids! 
Another one of your problems - I’m not the only one who posts here about problems with children and/or parents. Such as, I didn’t start this particular thread, eh? You also don’t seem to be able to grasp the concept that just because society as a whole is currently allowing kids to run the world, it doesn’t mean that what they are doing isn’t obnoxious. People who try to excuse screaming or racing about in a restaurant as “just what kids do” either have a far higher tolerance for obnoxious than most folks have (or, at least used to) or they have given up responsibility for teaching their kids to not be wild animals. It may not be fashionable currently to point out these things, but it doesn’t change the facts.
I don’t “always have some kid to complain about”, and I’d be interested to know who all of this “many of us” are.
I am not responsible for your inability to see past your bias.
Do too.
Now that’s not quite true MsWhatsit…our precious curlcoat doesn’t always have a (singular) kid to whinge about.
In my experience, it’s always about kids. Capital letters, plural and every-single-one of-them, and their lazy dead-beat parents to boot.
IOW, she’s not all that particular.
The hubby and I just had this conversation - we are thinking about a grown up weekend there this winter with some friends. We figure there are three kinds of people who take their kids to Vegas (i.e. the Strip) - not that you can tell them by looking at them - generally.
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The clueless. They remember the Vegas as a family destination ads, haven’t been (or haven’t been in years) figure its a hotel with a pool in a warm place for fairly cheap and book. They have a cool hotel that looks like a castle there, and a hotel with a roller coaster - it must be kid friendly.
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The questionable parents. The ones that know exactly what Vegas is, but figure the kids can spend an hour or two in the pool each afternoon and then hang in the hotel room (or not) while they gamble. After all, they want to go to Vegas and what would you do with the kids.
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The people who have some other reason to be in Vegas, and that involves kids. People who live there. People who are using the airport and city as the start or end point for a tour of the American Southwest. People who’s sister chose to “elope” to Vegas as a destination wedding, and then decided to do up the wedding and “can my niece be the flower girl.”
There is a special forth class of parent, which is sort of amusing and sort of scary. We shared a Teppan table last year with a woman not older than 45 and her just 21 year old daughter painting the town together. Very nice mother and daughter combination, but I’m not sure I want to ever do jello shots with my own kids - even when they are adults.
Yeah, and the person who did was banned for being a troll. Not exactly something to aspire to.
Ah, so you’d agree with these people:
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
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“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint.”
Because both of those quotes were written more than two thousand years ago. Kids today are no worse than they ever were, and people who complain about the bad behaviour of todays youth are no more right than they’ve ever been. You’ve fallen for the (common) fallacy that you and your contemporaries were better behaved, more respectful, and less obnoxious than todays kids are. I know you’ll defend that to the death, but there’s just no evidence that it’s true.
So what you are saying is that children have always had poor impulse control, and a significant number of parents have always had poor parenting skills and would have better served society remaining childless? If so, I’d agree.
Basically. There have always been good kids and bad kids, and most bad kids probably do have poor parenting to blame. I’m not going to say all kids are great. But I do think even the best children are not just like little polite adults - they can be noisy and boisterous and they *do *have poor impulse control. And there are going to be times when you’re going to see those things, because good parents take their kids out and socialize them in society at large.
I just object to the idea that some unspecified amount of time ago children were all perfect angelic beings who sat silently at home until such time as they were wonderful productive adults. And conveniently this unspecified amount of time ago always happens to be the era that the author grew up in. Nobody seems to remember that they were annoying sometimes when they were kids too.
Agreed, totally.
We go to Vegas annually for a convention. We budget show money and gambling money. We’ll play 5$ blackjack and try to make it last as long as we can. The rule is we quit when we are either tapped out or we have tripled our initial stake. If we tap out on triple, we’re gonna have one hell of a nice dinner somewhere the next night!
Nah, I knew I could be a minor pain in the ass. I also know that my parents greatest joy was watching me go through the same thing with my own minor hellions. My chance to gloat is (hopefully) still a few years away. Let’s face it, even basically good kids can still often be handfuls.
I’ve been to Vegas a couple of times, first as a teenager with my family, and later as an adult with my wife.
As a teenager (Too young to gamble/drink, but old enough to know there were cheap drinks and shows with attractive naked women in them going on) I still had a great time there, with Mum & Dad taking turns to supervise us or make sure we were doing something (at a show, for example) and as a family we spent a lot of time seeing the sights- Just sitting in a restaurant on the Strip watching the colourful procession of drunk tourists stagger past, the Grand Canyon, the Casinos themselves (which, even sans gambling, are pretty impressive), the buffets, and so on. We all had a great time and it’s a fond family holiday memory.
I’m not really much of a gambler (best way to win at gambling is to own the casino, after all!) but my wife (also a non-gambler) and I had a great time in Vegas the last time we visited. There were no drugs or obvious hookers or sleaze that I saw (either as a teenager or as an adult), although it’s patently obvious those things are never far away if you’re that way inclined. Point is, there’s a hell of a lot more to Las Vegas than Blackjack & Hookers [del]and Lunar Landers[/del] and I honestly don’t see the reasons for the abject horror displayed by people like the OP at the idea that there would be families with children holidaying in Las Vegas.