Narnia movie: In development hell?

I agree that movies poorly done really suck, but that’s the case whether or not a movie has been made from the book. Unfortunately, as you’ve stated, this leads to an unfair prejudice against the book.

As for children being exposed to the movie first, I think a new movie of a classic book from an older generation actually re-introduces this classic to the next generation. It also can open a great story to those who may be too lazy to read the book. The hope is that by introducing the story through the movie a child is more likely to pick up the book in order to expand the great story they had seen. Considering the tremendous boost in LotR sales through the movies, this may actually be the case for many people.

Sorry to continue the hijack but until today I had no idea that there was an original order and an newer order. In elementary school ( way back in the 70s) they started with the Magician Nephew and worked up from there. My box set, also from the 70’s, was in same.
Could someone please explain the order and when it changed?Thanks

It was originally published in this order: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe, then The Magician’s Nephew. They switched it around so it was in the correct order of continuity.

My set from the 70s (I got it in 1978( is in the original order (ie, LWW first). I didn’t see the reordering until the 90s. You sure on your dates?

Hmm, could have been late early eighties but very early.

I still a little confused though because El Elvis Rojo mentioned starting with book #3.

Mine are ordered:
The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe
Prince Caspian
The Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Horse and His Boy
The Magician’s Nephew
The Last Battle

(also received circa 1978)

No, no, no… The original order is:
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Prince Caspian
Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
A Horse and his Boy
The Magician’s Nephew
The Last Battle

(I may have Chair and Horse switched: I’ll have to check when I get home)

If you ask me, any series, be it of books, movies, or trained monkey historical re-enactments, works best in the order in which it was originally presented to the audience. If that weren’t so, then why would the artist have put them in that order? There’s usually the assumption, going in, that the audience is familiar with the previous works.

Original Publishing Order:

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Prince Caspian
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Horse and His Boy
The Magician’s Nephew
The Last Battle

Internal Chronological Order:

The Magician’s Nephew
The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe
The Horse and His Boy
(actually takes place during the last couple chapters of LW&W)
Prince Caspian
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Last Battle

If they are really planning on making movies, LW&W should definitely come first.

I spoke to a friend a couple weeks ago who worked on the film, and he told me that it was supposed to be released in December.

Of course that date may have changed, but just thought I’d pass it along. :slight_smile:

I absolutely disagree.
All through the later books, there are references to people you have met before, or things that you know (and the text of the book says that you’ve met them before), that you don’t know if you didn’t read them in publishing order.

Also, it is very cool to read The Magician’s Nephew, and figure out that it’s the professor from the earlier books, than the other way, and find out why the lamp was there, or find out how things happened. Chronological order is not all it’s occasionally cracked up to be.

Any chance on them publishing it numbered correctly again?

If I ever buy another set (which is likely, as it’s a great gift), before giving it to anyone I’m going to open it, glue the proper numbers to the spines of the books, and pack it up again as it was meant to be!

I’m a bit surprised that, on the Great Order Debate, no one has actually gone to the source, so to speak. I seem to remember reading or hearing that, though the publishing order began with TLTW&TW, (as in the order given by arisu above), the reordering in the new anniversary editions is in keeping with C.S. Lewis’s preferred ordering of the books; that is, the old man would have published them in the “new” order but his publishers preferred releasing TLTW&TW first because they considered it a better book (or better leadoff to the series) than TMN. Remember, just because they were published in that order does not mean they were produced in that order; I’m sure Lewis was probably working multiple volumes concurrently (thus meaning there is no real “first” work). So, does anyone out there have some Straight Dope on the author’s preferences in this matter? I can’t remember what was the source for this idea about Lewis’s preferences, though I think it might have been mentioned in a TV program about him. Anyone who has the full story from that perspective, please educate us.

Bobby Roberts writes:

> As for an acceptable reason for making a movie out of a book, if
> increasing the number of readers of the book isn’t one, what is
> a good reason? Are you saying that no books should ever be
> made into movies?

That’s not what I was saying at all. What I was saying was that the fact that something is a great novel is not a good enough reason to make a movie of it. Nor is there a good argument to be made that because something is a great novel and because we want to encourage a new generation of readers to discover that it is a great novel, we are therefore obliged to make a movie of it.

First of all, some great novels just can’t be made into good movies. Some novels simply aren’t cinematic, and any possible movie made from them wouldn’t be any good. But, yes, of course some great novels make great movies (or at least very good movies). The question that any producer should ask himself when deciding to make a movie is not whether the source material is good. He should look at the script of the proposed movie and say, “Is this going to be a good movie?”

I think it’s also a poor argument to say that because something is a great novel and we wish to encourage a new generation to read it, we are therefore obligated to make a film of it. So are we saying that today’s generation is so tied to film that they are unable to read a book not associated with a film? If you extend this argument, we are obligated to eat the restaurant meal tied to the movie tied to the book, since that will encourage the reading of the book. A movie is a movie. A book is a book. A restaurant meal is a restaurant meal. They all succeed or fail on their own grounds.

Malchats, Lewis was never writing two of the novels at one time. He had the idea of the first novel, wrote it, and sold it. He then had the idea for the second novel, wrote it, and sold it. And so forth. The novels were written in the same order as they were published. The publishers did not change the order of the books. They simply published them as Lewis sent them the manuscripts. The publishers, as far as I can find out, didn’t have any opinion about the order of the books.

I think the argument that Lewis wanted the re-ordering of the series is very weak. At no point did Lewis ask the publishers that they re-order the books. The only real argument for the new order is that, in one letter to a young boy who said that he preferred to read The Magician’s Nephew first, Lewis said that that was a good idea and that he could read the series in chronological order rather than published order. But, as I said, there’s no evidence that Lewis ever asked the publishers to change the order. The change of the order mostly was caused by the desire of Douglas Gresham, Lewis’s stepson, who claims that Lewis once told him that he preferred the chronological order.

Incidentally, I know this information because I’ve read an immense amount of biographical and critical material about Lewis.

I had to go out and buy a new set to replace my original that is in a box somewhere from when I last moved 8 years ago.
I was shocked, confused and then upset.
Why did they change the order?
Do they think children today can follow a train of thought and in a way when they changed the order they are taking out some of the fun and mystery.
My children aren’t mindless sheep that have to have everything spelled out for them. The original order is half the adventure!
I remember how I felt when I figured out who the professor was, and the whole deal with the rings and the tree.
And if you read them how they are set up now doesn’t that mess up the time line for the older children and the cousing either being there or being to old to be there?

And as big of a fan that I thought I was I didn’t realise that there were two movies made after the Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. I would really like to hunt them down and watch them with my children.
I am now sharing the books with my children by reading a few chapters to them a night. In the original order.

I’ll also chime in for the “original order”. Then again, I think my box set even lacked TMN, so I never had the same rapport with it that I had with the other books.

But then I thought it was intended that way - first close the circle back to the beginning and then wrap it all up in the final volume.

By the way, Wumpus, I totally agree. That animated movie really sucked. I saw it when I was about 6, and I even remember thinking how it sucked and how I wouldn’t watch it if I didn’t love the book so much.

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C.S. Lewis didn’t, since he didn’t have the order changed, and he certainly could have. :slight_smile:

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I disagree. It’s more interesting to have the mysteries set up in The Lion (Where did the lamppost come from? What about The White Witch?) and then have them answered later, then to give the answer to the mystery right away.

Also, the books still aren’t in order, even if you read book 6 first: A Horse and His Boy takes place between the second-to-last chapter and the last chapter of The Lion.

Plus, there’s a very nice juxtaposition of reading Magician’s back-to-back with Last Battle, so you read the origin story just before reading the grand finale.

I would not advocate reading the books with Magician’s Nephew first, and I would not advocate cutting The Lion into two parts and inserting Horse in the chronological place either.

Fenris

Ok guys, enough with the hijack, ok? :slight_smile: I realize that I’m completely wrong about the ordering system now. :stuck_out_tongue: The old ordering system does give you a sense of wonder, but I prefer things to be in the “correct” order, and by that I mean Chronological order.

::sob:: I’m not as big as a C.S. Lewis fan as I thought I was

It wasn’t my intention to butt heads with you, Aslan. Hey, you love the Chronicles, I love the Chronicles, kiss kiss, hug hug.:smiley:

Take it for what it’s worth:

"This is also the order followed by the current British editions, published by Fontana Lions. A case can be made for both orders. Lewis himself came down in favor of the chronological order, which is why Douglas Gresham recommended it. In a letter written in 1957 to an American boy named Laurence, Lewis wrote the following:
‘I think I agree with your order {i.e. chronological} for reading the books more than with your mother’s. The series was not planned beforehand as she thinks. When I wrote The Lion I did not know I was going to write any more. Then I wrote P. Caspian as a sequel and still didn’t think there would be any more, and when I had done The Voyage I felt quite sure it would be the last. But I found as I was wrong. So perhaps it does not matter very much in which order anyone read them. I’m not even sure that all the others were written in the same order in which they were published.’ "

from - http://cslewis.drzeus.net/

I know this letter was already mentioned, but now you can see it for yourself.