NASCAR fans: Was Waltrip's penalty too much, or not enough?

In Daytona Beach this afternoon, NASCAR handed down penalties for the Michael Waltrip intake manifold incident from 500 Qualifying last Sunday.

The tally:

  • Crew chief David Hyder fined $100,000, ejected from the track and suspended indefinitely.

  • Director of Competition Bobby Kennedy was ejected from the track and suspended indefinitely.

  • Waltrip was docked 100 championship points.

  • The nominal car owner, Buffy Waltrip, was docked 100 car owner points.

All because a “foreign gel-like substance” was discovered in the intake manifold of Waltrip’s #55 Toyota Camry during pre- and post-qualifying inspection. NASCAR won’t reveal what the substance was, but I’ve heard speculation that it was Sterno, a gelatinous form of jet fuel or a delivery agent for some exotic oxygenate.

Was it too harsh a penalty? I really don’t think so. If anything, it may have been a bit too lenient. When NASCAR busted Junior Johnson with an oversized motor in the early 90s, they suspended the owner, driver and crew chief for a month and parked the car. That was called for here.

Certainly this is going to be a pretty heavy penalty anyway, even if he makes the race. If he misses the show, he’s got a huge hole to climb out of.

I believe that given the current state of NASCAR, along with it’s credibility and that of Brian France, that Waltrip should be parked for at least 4 races. I am waiting with “breathless anticipation” to Toyota’s reaction to this.

How’s this for you?

Enough of a reaction for you?

Well, I’ve just now heard about this and I’m a little unclear on why this is considered a more serious infraction than those of Kenseth’s and the Evernham teams, which apparently merited two- to four-race suspensions for the crew chiefs and the docking of 25-50 points for the drivers.

I’m not entirely surprised that the Waltrip effort might have tried to shade the rules right out of the gate, given his dismal season last year and the not-unexpected non-competetiveness of the brand-new Toyotas. The others, however, have been more successful over the past couple of years, and now one has to wonder how much was due to little fiddles like the ones they were caught doing.

In general, I’m in favor of NASCAR policing its ranks, but if five teams from three different garages have gotten themselves busted before the season even starts, how many others have managed to sneak something through tech inspection?

It’s more serious because there are three things you don’t try to cheat on: tires, restrictor plates and traction control.

Everyone cheats to some extent. It may be as simple as building the car to the biggest allowable tolerances, or it may be as complicated and involved as Gary Nelson’s old “removable buckshot ballast” trick.

Hyder’s getting canned, which is no great loss anyway, and Scott Eggleston will get the full-time gig.

I’m not convinced the Evernham penalties were really justified anyway. The bolts were legal last year, and there’s no real benefit to the air vent Kahne’s car supposedly had.

The account in the Feb 14 Indianapolis Star IndyStar: Indianapolis sports news, scores, schedules, highlights said that the two least penalized teams had illegal vents in the trunk, caught before qualification. The two teams next-higher penalized had illegal holes in the front wheel wells. In the pre-qual inspection, these holes were caught, and the crews were told to tape them over. In post-qual inspection, it was found that the tape came off. (Disagreement over how that happened) Those two teams had their qual times nullified. All four teams lost driver points :eek: and team points. The trunk-punching teams had their crew chiefs suspended 2 races, and the wheel-well punching teams had their crew chiefs suspended 4 races.

Brian France, son of the founder Bill France, says the days of the wink and the nod are over. :dubious: Tinkering with the engine is a much bigger deal, especially on a restrictor plate track, than aerodynamic cheating.

Toyota’s style, in the past, has been to not even enter a branch of racing unless they can dominate right away. This is contrary to NASCAR’s style which tends to tweak the rules to find brand-to-brand equality.

Will Brian France’s new iron glove hold? We’ll see.

I have a feeling that NASCAR is much too afraid of scaring off sponsors to park cars, even for cheating as blantant as this. NAPA is probably plenty pissed off at Michael Waltrip (who has carefully cultivated a likeable boob/nice guy persona for years), but they’d be even more pissed off at NASCAR if “their” car wasn’t allowed to race for a month (as some speculation was).

This didn’t turn out to be exactly a “death penalty” for Waltrip, but still, unless Toyota finds some legal speed, the loss of points could make it it difficult for Waltrip to qualify for race continuing beyond Daytona because of NASCAR’s provisional rules, since he’s starting with a grand total of -100 points. The NAPA car might not be seen on Sunday afternoons for some time.

NASCAR will still occasionally get tough on the occasional “nobody” like Shane Hmiel to give the appearance of serious consequences for serious rule infractions.

[Fry] At first I thought that racing was real like wrestling. Now it turns out it is fixed like boxing. [/PJF]

Seriously, how can the driver not be suspended for the blatent cheating? Shouldn’t the driver be 100% knowledgeable about the vehicle that he is depending on to both earn his living and protect his life?

No. That’s why he’s the driver and the crew chief is the crew chief.

Anyway, I’m pretty sick of the cheating. Look, assholes, if your car isn’t fast enough, it isn’t fast enough. Tough shit.

Anyone think it’s funny they found a greasy gel in Michael Waltrip’s intake? :smiley:

From reading some of these comments, it sounds like most of you (and probably most average fans) just don’t get racing culture and how cheating applies. There’s probably a disconnect on how NASCAR works, but I see that a few people get it.

First, cheating is a part of racing. The only difference between cheating and competing is getting caught. Having said that, there’s cheating and then there’s cheating. Just like it sounds, it’s sometimes hard to define where one ends and the other begins.

The cheating that’s acceptable is exploiting the gray areas and building towards passing tech instead of the letter of the rules. Take Johnson/Knaus in 2004 and 2005. There were many instances of NASCAR taking them behind the hauler after a race and telling them not to do something again. They were doing things with the shock and spring packages that kept the spoiler in the air and the nose to the ground. They were violating the spirit of the rules, but not necessarily the letter of the rules (maybe?). They were always allowed to keep their spots.

The unacceptable cheating is the blatant stuff (see Waltrip, Micheal). There are some things that will just really tick off NASCAR or a local track. Getting caught with tire softener is one (although getting away with it locally is usually easy). Fuel additives are another. NASCAR hates traction control. They are going to penalize teams that take short cuts.

Just remember, the cars are racing about three hours a week. Don’t think that’s the only place where races are won and lost though. Countless hours are spent thinking about, scheming about, and dreaming about things in the shop. Some are built and tested. A few of those actually make it to the track. Of those, a few are caught by tech inspectors. Those are what you hear about. I can just about guarantee that there won’t be a car out there on Sunday that isn’t exploiting gray areas and sometimes downright breaking the rules.

One of my issues with NASCAR is that they sometimes seem all over the board in regards to punishment. Take the Lowe’s team that I mentioned earlier. They got warned on at least three occasions in '04 and '05 for violations, with no punishment. They got caught cheating at Daytona last year and fined $50K, but no points were taken. A year or two before DEI lost 25 points because the word “shit” slipped out in an interview. Make sense out of that contrast. This year the Kenseth team gets caught for aero infractions. They are a team who’s nose is clean as far as rumors of cheating. NASCAR slaps them with a 50 point penalty. It’s pretty hard to figure that one out when you compare it to last year.

Maybe you just have to follow the money? I don’t think the average NASCAR fan really wanted Toyota in NASCAR. They bring a lot of money to the table though, so here they are. Johnson’s team is sponsored by Lowe’s. Lowe’s also sponsors a yearly race and a race track. Kenseth’s sponsor isn’t even a full time sponsor. I don’t know that there is correlation, but it makes you wonder.

Years ago there was a rumor that a high profile team was going to lose a high profile sponsor (with billions and billions served). That team had been winless with that sponsor. They went on to win two restrictor plate races that year. Even so, the high profile sponsor still left at the end of that season. At Daytona the following year (the first restrictor plate race) the team that lost the sponsor got busted for some illegal inserts in their intake manifold. It was big time cheating. There was a lot of speculation that they were allowed through tech with them the year before to try to save the sponsor. Richard Petty’s 200th win is another example of a case where the fix was probably in.

Anyway, my point is don’t throw these people under the bus or think they’re evil. For the most part they’re just doing their jobs, but somehow managed to cross a line that NASCAR continues to move on a year by year and team by team basis.

One more thing in regards to Waltrip, that 100 point penalty is a huge deal. It could be a death sentence to the team. They were not in the top 35 at the end of last season. They will need to make the first five races on qualifying time, which isn’t going to be easy for them unless Toyota has a good engine and aero package right out of the gate. On top of that, they have the 100 point hole to dig themselves out of. After the first five races, the top 35 in points are guaranteed a spot in each race. Most likely Waltrip will be on the outside looking in and will have to continue to make races on qualifying time. That’s not something he is good at. They’ve put themselves in a big hole that I doubt they will be able to dig themselves out of.

Is it kinda like how there is ‘cheating’ in baseball, but one isn’t banned from the game for it, but there are lines (such as gambling) that are not crossed.

And after all that, Waltrip not only qualifies, but is starting 15th. :rolleyes:

I wish he had pulled out, like he thought about doing.

The 100 points still hurts him the same either way. As far as pulling out of the race, I hope you didn’t really believe that there was a chance that he would.

There probably was a chance. I really think Toyota probably wanted him to do it, but couldn’t make him.

Add some more to the mess this weekend …

Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/racing/02/15/gordon.punished.ap/index.html
I wonder if Michael’s brother Darryl will offer any comments on television about this. He’s one of the commentators.
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I should clarify. It’s not that I think that Michael was being completely disingenuous. There’s just too much money on the table by NAPA and Toyota for him to not make the attempt.

The Gordon thing is kind of making me shake my head too. The more that happens, the more I think Kenseth and Khane are getting screwed. In that article NASCAR states both that a part failed and that a mechanic messed up. Make up your mind guys. They also say that it would be of very minimal benefit. Anything that gets the rear spoiler out of the air by an inch is going to be more than minimal benefit.

I do agree that it could be somewhat dangerous though. A car missing the use of one shock should probably be a handful. That makes me wonder why Gordon didn’t feel it. Something seems a little fishy here or at the very least NASCAR isn’t explaining things very well.