Why not debate it where people can scroll back up and see what has been said already? What difference does it make if we discuss genocide under the heading “genocide” or under the heading “great debate?” Dang, leave it to the dominant society to pigeon-hole every nitpicking thing. That’s like putting your cans in alphabetical order in the pantry, I swear.
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You know, I’ve been hanging around for a couple of months, starting to get the lay of the land around here, trying not to step on any toes, I hesitantly venture into GD and WHOOSH…there it goes…off into the distance…good-bye little one…good-bye.
My cat’s breath smells like cat food.
First things first: Welcome to Great Debates, PumaClaw.
PumaClaw is continuing a discussion we were having about the Cecil Adams column Was Andrew Jackson One of the World’s Biggest Mass Murderers?
In this thread, we got into a debate over whether it was fair to regard Andrew Jackson as “genocidal,” or (Andrew Jackson aside) whether Native Americans have been the victims of something that might rightly be called “genocide.”
Thanks spoke-. I was feeling like that guy who wanders into the saloon and everybody stops and stares and I don’t know why.
Oh yeah, a hearty welcome to PumaClaw (where in the hell are my manners?).
Ya’at’eeh for you too
What is wrong with your Cat ???
Is this why this board monitor insisted we continue the discussion here? So some racist trolls can show their lack of respect and post about their cat’s breath under the heading “Native America?” This tells me about all I needed to know about this outfit here.
I will not have Ralph Wiggums called a racist!
You’re being a jerk by throwing around accusations of racism. Your OP made very little sense to me and I actually read the last thread about Andrew Jackson. His post was something of a joke and wasn’t racist. If you see racism in every perceived insult then perhaps this isn’t the place for you. People often times used humor around here even in the most serious of threads. Other then that welcome to the SDMB.
Marc
Um…over-react much?
Right. So why do we have a discussion of cat breath under the heading of “Native America?”
Okay…How is that remotely racist?
I think the cat breath thing was in response to the rambling OP, that didn’t make any sense out of context. It seems to me, that you were trying to respond in another thread, but accidently responded here.
Moderator’s Note: PumaClaw, please don’t make public accusations of “trolling”.
When you post a thread with an original post which doesn’t really make it clear what the topic is, people are apt to respond with confusion and some people will use in-jokes (like posting meaningless catchphrases from The Simpsons) to express this. It’s not malicious, and it really doesn’t even have anything to do with the topic you want to discuss.
You can’t just post a new thread with the idea of taking up where an old thread left off, but no real reference to the old thread or what you’re talking about in the OP, and expect everyone else to be able to follow what you’re saying. Not everyone reads every thread. (Actually, I think no one reads every thread.) This is especially likely to be the case when the thread was in a different forum (“Comments on Cecil’s Columns” rather than “Great Debates”.) You can start a new thread with a link to the other thread (like the one provided by spoke-) and something along the lines of “I’d like to continue the discussion started over on this thread”. It’s probably best in any event to go ahead and restate whatever your position is: “The United States has been guilty of genocide in its treatment of Native Americans”, or whatever it is you want to debate.
Now, everyone, perhaps we can get this thread back on something resembling topic.
I happened to read the thread in the other forum today and though I don’t neccesarily agree with much of Pumaclaw’s arguement, I think it’s an interesting topic. In attempt to tone down the snarkiness that this thread is already decending into I’ll say this:
Puma, calm down. this is a big message board. having read the other thread, I knew what you were driving at, but most people who stumbled upon this thread probably didn’t. The Catfood thing is a Simpson’s reference which is commonly used on this board in response to nonsensical posts. You didn’t really explain yourself well and it is understandable that people were a bit lost by your post.
Everyone else, the other thread got rather heated and puma was a bit put off by having the discussion quashed just because it was in the wrong forum. Cut him some slack and let’s try and get this thread on track, it’s a very debatable topic.
What?!?!?! I thought you Mods read every thread!!
Someone help me out here.
I see an OP that looks interesting - Native America - so I stop in to check it out and find I don’t understand what Pumaclaw is saying. But that’s ok, maybe all will come clear later.
The next two posts seem to point toward this being one of those threads that allow generally clever people to come in and post some yucks and amuse us readers. “Sounds like fun,” I tell myself, eagerly scrolling down.
Then we alternated between cat breath analysis and Andrew Jackson’s sortcomings.
Then Pumaclaw (I’m thinking he had drawn a knife officer) wrote:
This was followed by the entire saloon drawing guns and attempting to stare each other down. Which lasted until the sheriff, in the form of MEBuckner, showed up and threatened a long and costly civil suit if everyone didn’t back down.
Then the town preacher, 5-HT, came running in shouting, “For God’s sake won’t somebody think of the children.”
Which is were it all was, best I can tell, when it dawned on me that, a) it wasn’t as humerous as I thought it might be at first b) WTF is going on here.
But my question is, not counting that blue haired beauty MS. Simpson, which of the Simpson characters has the best butt?
for the record, I don’t like children:)
Mr. and or Ms. Flanders. They work out.
To bring it back to target, which Simpsons character would be most likely to have won against Jackson at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend? I’m thinking Sideshow Bob- malicious and malevolent, but I’m guessing there’s a strategist in there that won’t quit.
One of the oddest things about Jackson to me is that he had an adopted Indian son, Lincoier (spelling varies in different accounts- even Jackson’s version varies) whom he loved dearly. The son’s funeral was one of the few times he publicly cried. This is odd considering his image as a racist madman. (He actually hated the English much more than Indians as he blamed them for the death of his mother and brothers, largely because the English killed his mother and brothers.)