Magic fairy spirits inhabiting human bodies are not a “possibility.”
Scientific method is a method for acquiring information. It works by empirical observation and inference and it works by testing hypotheses. magical fairy souls provide neither explanatory power nor any metho for scientific testing, therefore scientific method has no application to them except to observe that there is no evidence for them, and they are not needed to explain any known phenomena. They are not even a coherently defined hypothesis. What IS a “soul” anyway? What is it made of?
It’s also completely empty of any significance.
Copernicus and Galileo made observations. They had evidence.
And Galileo WAS the type to say “let’s see some proof.” Copernicus hda evidence. He wasn’t just speculating out of his ass, and Galileo didn’t just accpet anything on faith.
The question is how you had the NDE. You believe you had some form of experience that defies the biochemical explanations, involving drugs, lack of oxygen, whatever, and I’m asking what actually transpired if it wasn’t those things. An NDE is just the name for this experience and doesn’t explain how it happens.
Take a high school biology class, dude. There’s nothing that mysterious about it. We essentially know what “life” is. It’s not a mystery. There’s nothing arrogant about pointing that out. It’s not my “belief,” it’s demonstrable fact.
Tell me what part of my statement about the SM is made up shit. It is only as good as or useful as its capable of right now or at any time; past, present or future. Copernicus, with his naked eye, came up with the heliocentric model of the universe, but he couldn’t prove it. Guys like you and other skeptics back then said to him, “Prove it, bring it into my lab and measure and quantify it with our insturments. If not, we’ll dismiss it” Unfortunately, they didn’t have a good telescope.
*But Copernicus didn’t. He theorized it and it went against the grain, challenged the existing paridigm, met with resistance negative skepticism.
My theory is that I had a real one. There’s no way I can quantify that for you. You can quantify the psysical/chemical part of the equation but right now there’s no definitive way to determine if that is the complete equation.
We do forget sometimes on this board that science tends to be influenced by the prejudices of the day. That said, it doesn’t make your explanation more true or the other theories less true.
A real what, though? And how? All you can tell me is the name for what you experienced (NDE). You’ve offered no means through which it happened, which is what I was looking for.
He didn’t just hypothesize it out of his ass. He realized that a heliocentric solar system explained the observable data better than a geocentric one. He didn’t just SAY it, he showed the evidence for it.
That’s not your “theory,” that’s your beliefe. Just because you believe something doesn’t make it a theory. A theory has to meet certain criteria to be properly called a theiry. It has to have explanatory value. It has to be supported by evidence and it has to be falsifiable. Your belief fails to have any of those things. It’ no different than saying you believe baldness is caused by invisible, hair stealing goblins. Just because you can make something up, doesn’t make it a theory.
the problem for you is that the chemical explanations are already sufficient. There is no part of the experience that people haven’t eperienced through chemicals or electrical stimulation.
Hang on, I think you’ve missed a bit here. You had an experience, the doctors say that you were dead by their standards and interpretations, yet you have rather a certain timeline for these events; alive, dead, NDE, dead, alive, to put it very bluntly. How do you know that the period in which you had your experience was whilst you were dead?
It wouldn’t matter if it was. When the brain stops working, there’s no more power pack.
Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain like light is an emergent property of a light bulb. Consciousness can’t continue to exist without the brain anymore than the light can continue to exist after the light bulb is broken.
No. The body stops generating power, so the brain uses up its last power and then shuts down. There’s no mystical energy sitting up there, it’s all explained by the physical properties of the chemical reactions that create energy. What happens to any powered device when you remove the power source?
Well, you’re never going to get a strictly defined image of an atom in which light reflects off the atom and hits your eyeball, because the wavelength of visible light is far larger than the size of an atom. But if you’re not concerned with that, then yeah, take your pick.
Modern microscopes are really quite amazing. The tips of the probes on those suckers consist of a single atom.
Anyone who claims this claptrap should examine where they are
when it happened. “There are no words to describe it.”
No kidding. Dreams are very hard to explain, NDEs are not.
Once i was knocked out. I was revived, but I was in a coma. I thought I had an NDE, but everything I could remember could be explained by the med reports.
All “meaning of life” thoughts and conversations with dead people
were conversations throughout my hospital room.
For most who claim this happened to them:
The lights were hospital OR lights or a pen light from an EMT
The overlapping voices, radio transmissions in the ambulance.
A foreign language? Medical speak. They were talking about your stats.
Comparable to every UFO abductee:
The flashing lights were cop lights
The tubes and experiments? They were pumping your shit factory.
The funny shaped people? Humans in scrubs.
Of course there’s always that possibility of appearing on TV!
For most Joe Schmos, Johnny Punchclocks, a TV interview
IS salvation.
All NDEs are absolutely, positively bupkus.
The logic flaw? How can anyone coherently find an answer
to afterlife when their vision is blurred, BP weak, and a slow
or stopped heart?
I always think “Flatliners” when someone brings this up.
(What a dismal OR!) If you notice, the scriptwriters tried to talk
about NDE but after about an hour, it makes no sense.
No, you did not “die” despite what any doctor told you. The fact that you are posting right now means that you did not die. Death is a final thing. When you are dead, you are no longer living, and will not come back. This is the very definition of death.
You were unconscious perhaps. Your heart may have even stopped for a brief time. However, you were not dead, no matter what anyone tells you thier “scientific definition” of dead is .