Near Death Experience : science vs. spirituality

Artificial is not real.

Scientists can not explain many things that can be explained by spirit.

Yes, science is trying to eradicate spirit, and it is only your opinion that science is better. Perhaps spending some time studing spirit will help you understand.

I know a great deal more about neural networks that you know about spirit.

If it acts upon a physical object, then it uses physical means.

Thats because spirit and IPUs can explain anything w/o regard to whether or not it’s a useful, true or otherwise worthwhile explanation.

You’ll need to prove that physical entities form a closed system.

What is that supposed to mean, exactly? Artificial neural nets are termed such because they use “artificial neurons”, not because they’re “not real”. Even a relatively simple such neural net can self-repair without the need for any external force to do the rewiring. Are you saying that the human brain is incapable of doing the same?

So? Spirit cannot explain many things that can be explained by the Invisible Pink Unicorn. The ability to offer up an arbitrary explanation for a phenomenon should not be considered a mark of validity. Instead, we need to examine how well the explanation works, and how consistant it is, both internally and externally.

Again I say, “nonsense”. Science isn’t trying to do anything at all, other than to offer a thorough and consistent explanation of the observable (and measurable) universe. There’s no goal or motivation for science to disprove spirituality. Now, individual scientists may have a bone to pick with spiritual explanations for things, but the science itself stands (or doesn’t) based on the facts.

I sincerely doubt that, or you wouldn’t use such horribly flawed metaphors when discussing the brain.

We’ve had many NDE threads with Lekatt before.

Pam Reynolds? Ooh, have we debunked that.

His claim that science is on some crusade to destroy spirituality? Do we even need to debunk this?

The NDE he claims to have had? That would be the one, by own admission, which happened in his own home and his own bed. No doctor ever examined him and certified that his heart had stopped. His own wife, sleeping in the same bed, did not wake up.

This thread has been hi-jacked, no talk of NDEs verses science anymore.

so long.

We found a key that might be useful later on.

Now, now.
I love having Lekatt around.

Of course but it’s still nice to know there is an “idle switch.”

Indeed, I shouldn’t have summoned LeKatt.
I thought he could give me some insite, but keeps spouting off indefensible rubbish as fact, because he thinks he “experienced” it.
I am going to refrain from getting into discussions with him from here on out.
He is pretty close-minded for a “spiritual” person.

Admins, please close this thread.

Maybe that’s what happens when one “knows truth” by merely seeing it w/o applying the rest of you God given faculties to it - eg ration thought etc.

I posted writings backed up with real scientific studies, along with scientifically documented experiences. I know many people read them. But what got posted in the whole thread was a couple of sentences believed to be false. There was no discussion of any of the points I wrote about by anyone. Obviously they were rejected. Then the thread turned to personal data and attacks. Which always happens when no real rebuttal is available or known.

But the thread was not in vain, as I said, many read the links and some emailed me with some very good thoughts and agreement. Most were lunkers who don’t want to post and get mauled by the skeptics.

You will receive sympathy.

Thanks, but none needed.