Need Help with Rat or mice problem

We are having a problem with either rats or mouse don’t really know? They are coming up on our porch and crapping in one contained area of the porch. They have been doing this for the past 2 yrs.
This yr for whatever reason is worse.NOTHING is working! I usually use d-con bait blocks and now I am ALL OUT! There is no place to purchase the d-con bait blocks I have looked all over the web! I have checked local stores around our area and no one has them. They only have the pellets in the bait tray and they WILL NOT EAT THEM THEY HAVE BEEN A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY! I really don’t know where their nest is? I don’t know where they are coming from.
But I am concerned that when winter hits they were come into the house for warmth! There is no way I’m going to let that happen. I will sell my soul to the devil before I ever go through that one again. Because once they get in they WILL NEVER LEAVE NO MATTER WHAT ATTEMPTS YOU MAKE and all I will do is clean and spend more money. Traps also NO GO they will not go into the traps!

I need help does anyone know what poison will work or what to do.
thanks,
the lost and helpless girl

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Are you sure it’s rat/mouse poo you’re finding? Does your porch have a roof? I’m thinking it might be from bats hanging out above where you’re finding the poop. What does the poop look like? Tiny & roundish = mice. Larger (1/2 inch or so?) & kind of tubular = bats. I’m not sure what rat poo looks like.

These have been working since 1894. Poisons are for barns and outbuildings.
A dying rat that makes it inside is a special kind of hell you want to avoid.

Assuming you even have a rat problem. If you have deer hunters in the family, borrow a game camera to make sure of your critter problem before doing anything.

You can get one at Walmartif necessary.

Only then can you be sure of what steps to take next.

A mouse has really small droppings that are grain like in size and can be mistaken for roach droppings. Roach droppings are striated. Rat droppings are going to be bigger.

Use the traps ducati linked, specifically the electronic kind. I was trying to use a regular trap on our mouse problem and one night with the electronic trap got the mouse. (In our case, it was actually only one; it was apparently a real jerk.)

Importantly, you absolutely must find out what you have infesting your place. Mice feces are about the size of grains of rice. Rat feces are way larger.

I have never seen a bat here! I believe that I see small dropping (like grain size) and now I just looked out my kitchen window and they is larger droppings and some smaller droppings mixed in with the larger ones. It always looks like its in one circle all the droppings I can see are mixed in one circle. My boyfriend placed an extension cord out there with an electric noise repellar and THAT IS NOT WORKING I think they pissed right next to it:( .
They are messed up and won’t die. I put two different poisoned in that circle and they are ignoring it. My boyfriend explained that he did see something running away from that area and it was brown and he thought looked like a mouse. He wasn’t sure if it was going towards the bottom of the house or towards the trees and away from the house.
I have been hearing something on our roof the last two days at exactly 8am running on the roof above our bedroom. My boyfriend thought that it might be a squirrel because THEIR ARE TONS AROUND HERE. They run on the cable line which is ajackulet from the roof.
So I don’t know.

Still need suvere help PLEASE

What size are the droppings? This is critical information.

As stated earlier, buy an appropriate-sized Victor trap or three, bait and place. Noisemakers do not work. Poisons will only result in killing other non-harmful animals or leaving stinking, rotting corpses either in your house walls or outside to poison non-harmful animals that are looking for a meal.

Something like this can work a treat. Bait it once a day and keeps catching.

You can use a plastic drink bottle instead of a can and anything rigid for the wire as long as it allows the bottle or can to rotate easily.

The rodent goes up after the peanut butter, the can/bottle revolves, rodent falls into water and drowns.

My 70+ year old mother built something like this early last summer when there was a mouse plague in her town and was tipping large quantities of drowned mice into the bin each morning.

Standard rat trap only catches one, then needs to be re-set. This will go all night.

Farmers have been using a much simpler version of it. Just the bucket. fill it with water and throw a blanket of seeds in it (they float on top). Mouse goes after seeds and can’t get out.

I like it, but rats can swim for hours. I would add a chunk of dry ice to the water. That way, you have CO2 in the bucket instead of air. Rapid respiration from panic/exertion and Viola! Gone in 60 seconds!

What you don’t want is ajackulet from the roof. That’s just going to attract more animals.
Plus, I think it’s a misdemeanor.

If you want to use poison, buy Just One Bite, it works better than d-Con and seems to get eaten when D-Con doesn’t.

But since this is on a porch I think it could be bats. Both mice poop and bat poop look very similar, black and about the size of a grain of rice.

You may be trying to bait or trap for mice when what you really have are bats coming in to eat insects. Do you have a light on or near that porch that will attract night flying insects? Then it is probably bats. I have a doorless porch with a work bench and small freezer on it. Always finding little mice poop on top of the bench and freezer, but not so much on the floor. Then I figured out it was bats.

Rats are bigger and their poop is about a half inch long, or more.

I just noticed the comment about the poop being in a circle. On the floor below a light maybe? Mice and rats aren’t going to be pooping in a circle, but a bat circling a light while feeding might leave that.

Rodents don’t congregate on a bare floor unless there’s something really good to eat. They hide in corners behind and under things, mostly.

Clean the area, make sure the’s nothing there for them to eat or drink - no cat food, plants with water in the tray, birdseed, etc. Remove anything and everything, leave wide open bare floor, give them no reason to be there. Then set snap traps, much the most humane way to kill them, if you must kill them.

Everything you ever wanted to know about droppings:
http://icwdm.org/inspection/BlackBrownDroppings.aspx
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