Need opinions/advice about new puppy

My parents have gotten a new puppy. A couple of weeks ago, a lady from my dad’s work gave him one of her dog’s new puppies. It’s been quite a while since there has been a puppy in the house. Our last dog was six months old when we got her, so there wasn’t a whole lot of puppy stuff that she did (she never chewed, was very obedient, was house trained in days).

Some background on Gretchen (new puppy): She is half Pit Bull, half German Shepherd. We got her when she was five weeks old (she was already weened, and the mother was no longer being very nurturing toward the puppies). She loves to chew on fingers, toes, noses, hair, shoes, blankets, furniture, and purses. She likes her chew toys, but apparently they are not as tasty as our feet. She has a “piddle pad” on which she should be going to the bathroom. If she happens to be near the pad, she will walk over to use it. If it’s too much of an inconvenience for her, she just pees wherever. She has not yet peed on anyone, but rather makes a cry to let us know she’s got something to do. She will jump out of our arms even if we are standing as we hold her. She seems to have no fear. She eats quite a bit and gained a pound and a half in her first five days with my family. She cries all night. If invited into someone’s bed, she chews on them instead of sleeping.

According to my sister (who still lives at home), my mom is getting fed up. She (my mom) is convinced that Gretchen is a mischievous dog, as she doesn’t recall any of her other dogs being so non-compliant (the last really young puppy she had was over thirty years ago). I would positively hate to see them give up on a puppy as young as Gretchen. I would take her in if I could, but our apartment doesn’t take dogs. The idea of giving her away has not been seriously discussed yet, but I’m afraid it’s a matter of time.

So, what I’m wondering is: Is Gretchen’s behavior normal? I would venture that it is. Are there any good web sites or books that might give us an idea of how to teach her proper behavior? I understand that a dog has to be at least six months old to be in an obedience school. Is that true? Please give me some advice and/or resources so that I can give my parents good reason to keep this dog.

Crate training.
Really, it’ll take care of the housebreaking thing and help with the other behavioral problems.
Sounds like puppy Gretchen is a strong-willed little pooch trying to figure out where she fits into the pack. She’ll keep trying for alpha dog just as long as your parents let her.
Really, strong-willed ain’t bad at all and it sure doesn’t mean she isn’t a loving, loyal dog. She’ll just keep on pushing until she’s shown her boundaries.
It’s also helpful to use a “shake can”, i.e. any metal can with a few pennies inside. Puppies startle easily and hate sudden, loud noises. Everytime she starts doing something wrong, shake the can at her and say, “NO!” in a firm, tough voice. She’ll make the connection.
Just be sure to cuddle, pet and praise the hell out of her when she’s doing something RIGHT. Dogs really are the ultimate social animals. They want to be accepted in their pack if they can just figure out what’s wanted of them.
But your parents need to do it now, before her bad habits become any more established. A few weeks of being firm now will make all the difference.
My computer is locking up on me (AARRUGH!) but I’ll keep trying to link to some sites that might help. There are also a ton of great “raising a new puppy books” out there.

Dog nut,
Veb

Let me second the crate training idea. I’ve successfully raised dogs all my life, and crate training is much easier on both you and the dog than trying to teach the dog that the entire house is her ‘den’ and must not be soiled in or destroyed.

Basically, you buy a dog crate large enough for the dog to be able to turn around in when fully grown (you’ll use this crate for the life of the dog - it’s not just a ‘training’ thing, but a home for the dog in the house, plus a place to put the dog when guests come over who are allergic, or little babies are crawling around or you just need the dog out of the way).

When you crate train the dog, you are relying on the dog’s desire to not soil where it sleeps. They have a very strong inhibition against doing that. So when you feed your dog, you take it outside immediately after and give it a command to ‘go’, like “Hurry up, go pee”. If the dog does its business, praise it like hell, and the dog gets to run free in the house for a while (until you think that there’s even a remote chance that it might have to go to the bathroom again). If not, the dog goes in the crate. Take her out in half an hour, give the same command, and wait a reasonable time. If the dog still won’t go, it’s back in the crate, and repeat as needed.

Basically, you are simply never giving the dog a chance to have an ‘accident’. After enough time, the dog will pick up the notion that the house is not the place to go, and your job is done. But you should still crate your dog if you are out of the house, or while you are sleeping.

Don’t let kids play in the dog’s crate, and don’t crawl in yourself, especially when the dog is in it. The crate is the dog’s ‘safe’ place, where it can feel comfortable and protected. Dogs in the wild are den animals. If they aren’t in their den or with their pack hunting, they will feel a lot of anxiety. So crate training is not cruel - in fact, leaving the dog alone without a crate or a doghouse may be cruel if the dog suffers from ‘separation anxiety’, which is one of the prime reasons why some dogs become destructive.

You’ll probably find that over time the dog actually likes being in her crate. When my dogs are fully crate trained, I leave the crate in place with the door permanently open, and the dogs often just make their way to the crate to sleep or just to get away from the hubbub of family life. They really do learn to treat it like their ‘den’.

A dog that is crate trained and trained to relieve itself on command is much, much easier to live with, which means that you’ll probably do more things with it and treat it like more of the family. That’s good for the dog. We travel with our Border Collie, and when we pull over into a rest stop I can just let her out and say, “Katie, Hurry Up” and she’ll pee and/or poop within about 20 seconds. That keeps the dog comfortable and keeps me from having to stand around outside for 20 minutes while the dog sniffs around and explores. And since she’s crate trained, we can even take her with us visiting relatives, and put her in her crate for the night or when we aren’t directly supervising her.

I also strongly recommend socialization for the puppy. It sounds like she’s a little agressive and dominant, which means she needs to learn who’s boss. So get her to ‘puppy kindergarten’ where she will have to learn to listen and obey you in the presence of other puppies, and she’ll also learn that dogs aren’t scary so she won’t become either dog agressive or submissive when she grows up.

At this age, you should also be exposing the puppy to as many different people, sounds, textures, and environments as possible in a positive atmosphere. If you don’t do this now, you may wind up with a dog that is permanently fearful of strange things like walking on wood, or going under things, or other people, or children, or blonde people, or whatever. Puppyhood is when they learn what is safe and what is not - expose your puppy to as much as possible.

Most people don’t put nearly enough effort into the first year of their dog’s life, and as a result the next 12-17 years are much harder than they need to be and far too many dogs wind up by themselves in the backyard dog run, which is no way for a social animal to have to live, or even worse, in the pound.

All my dogs go through a similar routine in the first year of life - they start out being crate trained, then at 12 weeks they go to ‘puppy kindergarten’, which is kind of like early obedience classes for a puppy where the emphasis is on socialization, exposure to lots of things, and comfort around other people and dogs. The instructor will encourage people to bring their children along so the puppies are comfortable around kids.

After puppy kingergarten, it’s at least Obedience I, where the dog learns to walk properly on leash, off leash, to sit, stay, etc. A dog that can’t be commanded to sit and stay sitting regardless of what’s going on around it isn’t under control, and can’t be taken off leash. You should be able to tell your dog to sit and have it sit there for 10 minutes no matter what happens around it. And your dog should always, 100% of the time, come to you when called.

Once you’ve achieved all this, your dog is trained and ready to join family life as an adult dog, just like graduating from high school. Then you might want to do specialized things like Flyball, or Agility, or Schutzhund, but it’s not necessary, and you can just live with your dog and have fun. But go through the obedience rituals semi-regularly to keep the dog ‘tuned up’.

If you want more info, find out where a good dog training school is, and enroll the puppy in kindergarten. The instructor should be able to give you all the advice you need, including help with very specific problems.

You can find a good training school either in the phone book, or you can ask at a pet store, or call the SPCA.

Oh, and get rid of that ‘pee pad’. NEVER let your dog go in the house under any circumstances. Paper training is a bad idea too. The dog will smell it through the house, and it may become impossible for the dog to figure out that the house is not a toilet. And if the dog does have an ‘accident’, get some good pet odor remover and make sure you clean the area up. If a residue of odor remains, the dog will probably want to go in the same spot again.

If you have a hard time getting your dog to tell you that she needs to ‘go’, here’s a trick we learned - go to Radio Shack, and buy a little alarm that hangs on the doorknob. They can be set to either go off continuously when nudged, or just beep a couple of times. Ask the dog, “Do you have to go outside?”, and then take her to the door. Nudge the thing so it beeps, and then take her out and give the command to go to the bathroom.

Eventually, your dog will start going to the door when she needs to go out, and she’ll accidentally nudge the thing. When it beeps, come running and say, “Do you want to go outside?” then take her out. My last dog learned this trick incredibly fast, and when she had to go to the bathroom she’d just run to the back door and bump the alarm with her nose. Some dogs just don’t want to learn to bark, so this is a good alternative. Some dogs naturally learn to bark when they want something (my current dog does this), and so the little alarm deal isn’t necessary.

Hope this helps.

Well there you go, we messed up training for our dog! :slight_smile: Although, actually, he’s not THAT bad. He deosn’t come when I call him, but he’ll do pretty much anything my sister says. Of course, I don’t live at home anymore anyways, so thats likely part of it. And he’s been HER dog since he was a pup - his crate was in her room. We took the crate away when he got older and housetrained, like we did with our frist dog. He now sleeps in my sisters bed most nights, or he likes the little space by the door to the garage. Piles up his toys there too, so it’s kind of like a crate to him, I think.

So although we didn’t do everything the way Sam suggested, we still got an ok dog in the end. I think obedience training would have been a good idea, and I support that suggestion.

Good luck with Gretchen!

Sam Stone, you know what you’re talking about. I would like to address the chewing issue:

I’ve raised a few Pit Bulls and most of them are mouthy dogs, which means that the like to chew things or just mouth at whatever’s around them. Don’t play with the pup with your hands. I know it’s fun to lightly tap one sid of the dog’s head/face, then when she turns that way, tap the other side, but it teaches the dog to mouth at hands. Get a bottle of Grannick’s Bitter Apple spray and spray the items you don’t want her to chew. This will make them taste bitter and less appealing. Make sure that you don’t get it on her chew toys or handle her chew toys after spraying something. When you see her chewing on something she shouldn’t, take it away from her and put a chew toy in her mouth. Praise her for chewing her chew toys. Keep shoes put away where she can’t get them. If she seems determined to chew on the furniture, carpets, shoes, etc, catch her in the act and squirt a little bitter apple right in her mouth. You have to do this quickly or the pup won’t understand and might associate the taste with something completely different than what you intended.

Never be afraid of your puppy. Pit bulls are usually one of the most loyal breeds and often more than a little needy/clingy. Should she ever growl at a person, immediately roll her over onto her back, hold her down by the loose skin below her ears, get right in her face, maintain eye contact and tell her in a growly voice that you are the boss. It might seem cruel, but that’s just dog language. It will show her her position in the pack and knowing her position will give her peace of mind. She will probably look away as a sign of submission and after you let her up she will lick you, which is another sign of submission. Pet her and let her know that you accept her apology.

The best book I have read on pit bulls is The Ultimate American pit Bull Terrier by Jacqueline O’Neil, published by Howell Book House.

Big “yepper” on the rolling-on-the-back dominance thing. It sounds brutal but it’s part of establishing who’s alpha dog. Pups want to know where they fit in. Pin 'em, roll 'em, then let 'em lick and “make up” and it’s all settled. No pouting, no posing. They’re eerily intelligent and just want clear signals about their pack.

Dogs have decided personalities and remain DOGS. When we’re hurrying someplace my sweet, tractable (BIG!) pooch still bumps past me with the sly nudge-and-race routine, just as reminder who’s the faster, funnier animal. It’s all about signals. Dogs absorb–and accept–an amazing array of human spoken and physical cues. But the return deal is understanding “dog”.

Overall they’re much less complicated and much more direct in their willing, joyful love and loyalty once the signals get straightened out.

Veb

Wow, TVeblen and Sam Stone did a better job at explaining crate training then I ever could have!

When I got my Boxer puppy, I just laid out a bunch of shoes and a couple of his toys in a big pile and just sat there. When he’d sniff at a shoe he’d get a “BAD DOG”, and when he’d go for a chew toy he would get praised.

And take a page from basic operant conditioning: rewards and punishments. Make sure that your praising of the dog is very happy - have a higher pitch to your voice and make sure that he knows that you are happy with him. Also make sure that when you are scolding him that he knows that he is doing something wrong. Basically, make sure that there is a very wide gap between how you act when you’re praising and how you act when you’re scolding.

I also concur with jack@ss’s technique of rolling the dog on his back if need be. Dogs are actually happier when they know that there a strong leader in the house, so don’t feel bad about making sure that he knows who’s boss.

I agree with the crate training and about getting rid of the pee pad.
Is Gretchen getting enough exercise? While young puppies should not go on long walks, they do need plenty of exercise. A tired dog is a good dog.