Nerds and physical fitness

The recent thread on nerd behavior brought up the claim that nerds are all weaklings. I disagree. I have never seen any evidence to back up such a belief. In all my observations of and participation in nerd communities, they see like a perfectly fit bunch, with average physical strength no different from the general population.

As I see it, the nerd weakling association exists only in the media. Furthermore, it didn’t always exist there. When you watch TV shows or movies from the fifties you can find plenty of nerds among the characters. While they were hardly buff, they were usually fit and decently good looking. It was only in the eighties that TV started offering us characters such as Screech and Urkel under the assumption that nerds must also be pathetically thin and awkward. I won’t go into why this happened; I have theories, but that’s a whole other thread. Suffice to say that for some people television is reality, so they accepted the new picture of nerds without question.

But are nerds really weaklings, wimps, out of shape? Off hand there’s no reason why refusal to be cool should strongly correlate with a lack of physical fitness. Indeed, those who feel insecure about their bodies would seem most likely to deal with that insecurity by carefully conforming to trends started by Hollywood or Madison Avenue. Thus nerds would actually be less likely to be weaklings. Besides that, however, I can think of four specific reasons why one would expect nerds to be more athletic than cool people.

First, the primary social activity among the cool is drinking massive amounts of alcohol. This is unhealthy. Thus, those who aren’t cool don’t suffer the ill effects of binge drinking.

Second, nerds are smarter than cool people. Thus they are more likely to know what constitutes proper diet and exercise. Admittedly not every nerd will put this knowledge into practice, but some will. On average the nerd community gets a leg up on the cool community in terms of fitness.

The erstwhile Calvin once remarked that “You don’t move when you’re cool. You just sort of hang out.” As with any good joke, this one carries a grain of truth. Whether at school, at the mall or some other after-school haunt, or at a party, cool people must prove their coolness by hanging out for long periods. They stand, sit, or slouch while endlessly repeating the phrases and body motions that prove their coolness. Nerds have no such obligations, and thus have more time for sports.

Lastly we have the attitudes of nerds versus the attitudes of the cool. Coolness is, and to some extent always has been, nonchalance. Cool people are not easily phased or affected by anything. In modern times this seems to be shifting from a general guideline to a dogma. To be cool, at least in the high school age group, you must refrain from caring about anything. Cool people don’t care deeply about art, or academics, or religion, or politics, or philosophy, or anything else. They don’t even care deeply about living and planning their lives. Thus, devoting a lot of care and effort towards staying in shape would violate the coolness doctrine. Nerds, again, have no such constraints, and thus may give fitness as much attention as they feel it warrants. Again for some nerds that won’t be very much, but for others it will.

My ninth grade computer science teacher one tried to prove this point. He asked the advanced CS class how many of played on one of the school’s team sports. About two thirds did. He then pointed out that among the entire school, the percentage of students who were athletes was certainly much lower. And he was right.

I’m not sure about this. On the one hand, “cool” people don’t care about anything, but on the other hand, hanging out at the gym and benchpressing weights and ogling women in their spandex is certainly a cool activity. On the coolness scale, being weak is definitely lower than being at least in decent shape. Sure maybe they can’t touch their toes without bending their knees, or run a mile in less than 9 minutes, but they have to at least look in shape.

Nerds, on the other hand, are primarily focused on academics, and though some will be “fitness nerds,” others will not bother with exercising and instead sit at home reading or typing on the computer, not getting much exercise. The meme of a scrawny weak nerd isn’t completely baseless, since most nerd activities require very little movement.

Geeks I think are in worse shape than nerds, though. Somehow, for me, the image of a nerd is always either overly skinny, or just in decent shape. Geeks, however, range in all different sizes, from the pale skinny to the greasy obese. If you’re going to imagine a super Trekkie fanboy, he’s almost always going to be overweight, with thick glasses, and probably some face stubble. Geeks tend to not care about their appearance, while nerds will obsess about their appearance (in a different way from cool people), making sure they look proper and presentable.

Of course, here we go into the debate of what exactly constitutes a nerd vs a geek, but we’re just dealing with broad stereotypes here.

I disagree.

Exercise takes time and is often physically unpleasant to those unaccustomed to it. Nerds, in general, have more important things to do with their time that exercise unless they enjoy it.

Eating healthy is harder than eating unhealthily. Nerds, while probably aware of what constitutes a good diet, probably care less about it that normals.

People who want to fit in more are more likely to make sacrifices to their personal enjoyment to fit in. If a nerd wanted to fit in, he wouldn’t be a nerd. Nerds are too busy doing other stuff to worry about fitting in.

People who are genetically suited to being healthy are less likely to be nerds since they are socially popular from a young age.

But the diversity of nerds makes it hard to make and firm generalisations. There are exceptions to almost any generalisation.

If you do sports you tend to look good. Good looking people are generally regarded as cool by definition, unless they’re spotted at a WoW convention or something.

Most nerds and geeks I’ve met were out of shape. However, when they are in shape, they tend to be really in shape, due to their willingness to do exhaustive research and not minding looking silly doing different things.

I know a guy who has mild Asperger’s–he decided to get in shape and meticulously dieted and exercised until he was 200 lbs, washboard stomach and built like a Greek god. Still a frigging nerd, though. :slight_smile:

Having said that, it’s about a 1 in 100 ratio, maybe smaller. Most nerds I’ve met are either overweight, really overweight or skinny as hell. Very few I’d classify as inbetween.

Excercising and getting in shape is not always about “fitting in.” A lot of people do it for their own health, or a sense of accomplishment, or just because they enjoy the sport. I’ve known many nerds who are obsessed with a particular sport. Admittedly it tends to be unconventional or solitary sports (whitewater canoe, sea kayak, fencing, bicycling, etc) but there are athletic nerds out there. I’m definitely a nerd and I’ve spent a few vacations doing week-long 500+ mile bicycle tours.

we are not accounting for the all important zit factor/zit ratio here. i have seen many a nerd w/ pizzaface. i tend to think this has more weight in contribution to overall nerdiness than any other factor.

I dated a nerd. 6" and 180 pounds. He made some sexist comment, so I decided to put him in his place. I was 110 and 5’4" then, and I challenged him to an armwrestling contest.

I slammed his fist to the table, like I knew I would. 'Course, I was into bodybuilding then, but still…

Your definition of “nerd” and “cool” seem strange to me. Your definition of “cool” seems more like a “slacker” to me, not necessarily a “cool” person. Maybe my experience is just way out of date, but when I was in high school (class of '89), the cool people were the jocks, there was a great swath of middle ground, then there were the nerds - the D&D, computer club, chess club, A/V club set. There was also another set which we termed the beegs or beegers. As far as I know, this term was only used in a small area of upstate NY and refered to the auto shop, Iron Maiden, cigerattes behind the cafeteria, drop out set.

As far as fitness goes, the cool jocks were WAY ahead of the crowd. When you play football in the fall, basketball in the winter, and then baseball in the spring, with 4-5 practices and 1-2 games a week, you’re going to be physically fit.

As for the nerds, let’s just say that when it came time to do fitness in gym class, it was the nerds - always and without exception - that struggled with bench pressing the 45 pound bar.

Of course there are exceptions, like the guy slortar mentioned. But if we’re going to talk in generalizations (and we are as evidenced by this gem - “First, the primary social activity among the cool is drinking massive amounts of alcohol”) then my generalization is going to be that the idea that nerds are 98 lb weeklings is spot on.

First of all, let me set the record straight what a “nerd” is. A nerd is someone who is excessively dull and boring and stiff. They are anal, almost to the point of being obsessive compulsive. They tend to be pretty cereberal and affect certain common traits like glasses, short, conservative haircuts, plain oxford shirts and cotton Docker type slacks. They tend to also be opinionated, polite and did I mention dull?

It’s really the dullness and unquestioning conformity to “rules” that defines “nerdiness”. They approach everything as if studying for the SATs. They can be physically fit. Almost TOO physically fit. The physical fitness that comes from tireless dedication as opposed to the physical fitness that comes from leading an active, athletic lifestyle. Typical nerd sports include cross country track, crew, wrestling or fencing. In other words, individual sports, or in the case of crew, sports that consist of repetitive, tedious activities performed over and over again.

Nerds tend to be choose careers that require attention to detail, strict adherence to defined rules and repetition. Accounting, and engineering are prefered.
Contrast this to “geeks” who have similar anal cumpulsive tendencies but lack the nerds obsessive need to conform to societies rules. The “geek” is the guy who knows the stats of every type of warp drive in every model of Enterprise but can coordinate his pants with his shirt.

“Dorks” are just socially clueless.

Well there seems to be a growing trend of geek marathon runners arround here in silly clone valley.

Once again, msmith, that paragon of cool, arrives just when we need him. There is no one here better qualified to explain this, no one.

Seriously though.

I’ve always understood “nerd” to include, among others, bright people who are intensely interested in some field, so much so, that it eats up much of their energy, and they may or may not be socially awkward. Bodybuilders can, in fact, approach a nerdlike level of obsession to that activity, and, moreover, it’s generally not something in which dumb people are successful. There’s a lot to learn there, about the way the body works in general, and a bodybuilder’s own body in particular. So you can even get some nerdish traits in people who are supremely in shape.

And you’re a fucking douchebag…as usual.

Running is kind of a “nerd” sport. At least in the sense that it isn’t a “meathead jock” sport like football or basketball. Which makes sense. It’s non contact. It’s essentially an individual sport. And IMHO it’s repetitive and tedious.

True, but all these ex-weeds now have calves like body builders. OK the rest is muscle free, they look like Popeye doing a hand stand.

I’m not sure I agree with your definition of nerds. Maybe nerd meant that at some point, but now it seems to have a broader definition.

I have to agree with this definition as well. Nerds are those who put more emphasis than normal on academics and on brainy activity outside of school, and less emphasis on the organized group activities such as going to bars, malls, parties and concerts. A certain lack of skill at personal interaction does correlate with nerd behavior, as nerds get less practice at interacting with others in a non-organized setting. However, social awkwardness is not a necessary condition for being a nerd.*

Geeks, in my terminology, are those who have developed a particularly strong liking to some form of entertainment. It may be a band, a movie, a television show, a book or series of books, a comic book series, or a computer game, or they may be attached to a genre of books or movies rather than any particular one. Obviously nerds and geeks do overlap heavily, but neither category is strictly contained within the other. I would imagine, though I have no scientific proof, that geeks are more likely to be weaklings since their particular obsession must, by definition, suck large amounts of time that isn’t spent on sports or training.

The observation that nerds never do the ‘meathead jock’ sports is accurate, but the reason may be pretty simple. There just isn’t enough time in the week for one person to both do spectacularly well in classes and meet the necessary practice and training requirements for the football or basketball team. However, teams lower in the athletic heirarchy, such as swimming or tennis, are, in my experience, often stacked with nerds.

  • To be precise, greater social awkwardness than the average for the age gorup in question is not necessary for being a nerd. All high schoolers are socially awkward by adult standards at least some of the time.

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2/3 of my high school’s track team was also on the varsity mathematics team.

My senior year, both the outdoor track team and the math team went undefeated in meets.

The last time our #1 distance runner didn’t compete in mathematics was… 1997.

Oh, grow up. I’ve actually stood up for you on occasion.