I don’t disagree.
Legally his plan couldn’t work, but what stands between civil war and a functioning government is simply enough people agreeing to follow the law.
If enough people, especially those in elected positions, if they decide that they’re done following the law, we’ll have war.
That’s why I said it was scary.
If we assume counterfactually that the protesters, and the hard core Fascist terrorists among them, actually got into the chamber quickly, actually killed a bunch of Congress and Pence, while meanwhile trump & his cronies’ efforts to stymy (or at least delay) a robust security response had held for a few hours, not just a few 10s of minutes, the USA would have been a very different and very confused place by morning.
One where even decisions taken a week later by SCOTUS might or might not be followed by the Executive as things truly ran off the rails into chaotic despotism.
That part came darn close to succeeding. And succeeding in the classic uncontrolled and unpredictable way that mob violence always plays out. Who in the building got killed and who didn’t would be highly random. After the obvious celebrity congresfolks & Pence got it.
Coups don’t have to be legally valid, they just have to defeat anyone who would try to stop them. Someone saying “but that’s not within the rules!” doesn’t matter at all if one side is making a blatant, violent power grab and the other side is trying to convince themselves that the people supporting the coup are good faith actors and deserve to be treated with some sort of decorum and respect and just roll over and let it happen. With how pathetically weakly the democrats defended against Trump and how shakey our institutions have become, the attempted coup only failed because of Trump’s incompetence and indecisiveness rather than because it wasn’t done according to the rules. Given the weak response to the coup attempt and the widespread support of it still among the republicans and their constituents, the next time will probably work.
And they’re not even particularly trying to hide their plans to do it again.
I’m shocked the House didn’t impeach Pence in a hope to remove him. Then Chuck Grassley would have counted to votes (or his replacement if the new VP was preplanned).
You completely missed my point and your argument is only repeating what I said later. In the words you are quoting from me, I was responding to the idea that Pence could have just played dumb, which would have somehow caused them to just stop counting votes and determine that there weren’t enough votes to elect anyone, thus triggering a vote of the House. That’s not how it works though.
The other stuff going on was different. The fake electors and the physical attack on the capitol. Those were different efforts toward the same goal.
But you apparently glossed over the rest of what I wrote.
You’re just agreeing with me.
If indeed there was any real confusion sown
about multiple slates of electors from even a single state, and that state’s congressional delegation broke on party lines to back one or the other, which is cometely predictable, chaos would have reigned for days.
The fakes are only unequivocally obvious now after 2+ years of detective work.
The real bomb is the time limit. If they can create chaos until a specific date I forget, it goes to the House. Imagine the current shenanigans about the FC & the SotH but applied to 2020 or 2024.
Might well get real ugly.
You’re shocked that the Dem controlled House didn’t impeach Mike Pence in an effort to aid Trump’s coup attempt?
How does this plan even work? Does 2/3 of the senate need to be Trump supporters along with the Dem controlled House?
Forgot to throw “Pubs” after House.
How does that plan work?
Step 1: Introduce a motion to impeach Pence
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Trump is re-elected.
And you were shocked that that didn’t happen?
Which step is this stuff?
If Pence were impeached and removed, Chuck Grassley as President Pro Tempore of the Senate would have counted the electoral votes.
But you just acknowledged that that was impossible with the make up of both houses of Congress at the time.
I guess I’m wondering which of the impossible things not happening shocked you the most?
He doesn’t even have the power to do that. The VP does very little and I think people are assuming a lot more power than the role has.
The Vice President, as President of the Senate, is the presiding officer, whose powers are limited by Federal statute to performing ministerial duties. The President of the Senate opens the votes of the States in alphabetical order, and hands them to the appointed Tellers, who announce the results out loud. The President of the Senate then calls for any objections.
It’s like saying the host of the Oscars has some kind of power to determine who the Best Picture award goes to.
What shocks me is the Republicans didn’t even try. Just to prove a point.
Try to do a series of impossible things?
The fact that while they were telling anyone who would listen that Trump and Pence won the election, it shocked you that they also didn’t simultaneously try, despite no possibility of success, to remove Pence as an obstacle to the first baby steps of an ill-defined plan to illegally hand the election to Trump and Pence.
Do I have that right? That’s what shocked you?
I feel like members of the Republican House Caucus introducing articles of impeachment against Mike Pence, that had zero possibility of even getting a vote, in December 2020 would have been slightly more shocking than their failure to do so.
This is a pretty good analogy. Like, IMO.
I always wondered about how Billy Crystal did it by revealing the right best picture winner in his intros. 
Nevada state court judge dismissed the indictments on bais that the AG brought them in the wrong venue; AG says they will appeal to state Supreme Court.