A Nevada grand jury has indicted the six fake electors. Kenneth « The Cheese » Chesebro has been singing like a canary, sounds like.
Seems like the states are at long last clamping down. The fake electors in Wisconsin just agreed to a settlement whereby they acknowledge Joe Biden won the 2020 election and they agree never to attempt to be electors, real or fake ever again.
This is good news! Also, you have a typo in your thread title. (Sorry).
I’m not sure why it’s not mentioned very often, I know I missed it until it was pointed out to me, but regarding the Wisconsin case:
Under the settlement, the 10 fake electors promised to assist the Department of Justice with its ongoing investigation. They also agreed to help the Democrats as they continue their lawsuit against Troupis and Chesebro.
The delay is likely caused by evidential issues. DA Willis did the heavy lifting in Georgia, and has flipped the Cheese.
Now that he’s pled out in Georgia, looks like he’s willing to provide evidence in the other states (and possibly avoid major charges in the other states). Since he was heavily involved in the scheme, his evidence is valuable.
Cool. I said this elsewhere, but this ‘so called scheme’ was just an attempt to throw a wrench in the gearbox. Just like the 1/6 insurrection was.
What did it all achieve? It only ruined many, many peoples lives.
I suspect we will be ready next time. And think there will be a next time.
Does this explain the delay? I’ve wondered when this news started emerging, “Why now? What took you so long?” Or is this a normal amount of time for such an indictment to percolate, and Fani was just super-fast?
The big difference is, next time, no one will be able to play that “Oh, I didn’t know, they tricked me!” game. Anyone who signs on as an “alternative” elector will know they’re asking for a criminal charge.
So they’ll be fully committed, and also much easier to convict if the plan falls apart again.
A lot, indeed. Excepting one, I can think of. Somehow, that point seems to be lost.
Dunno. That was just my guess, as an outsider.
Your statement makes it sound like the alternative, that Trump had succeeded, isn’t particularly notable. That was the intention - it wasn’t a possible, unintentional side effect that they weren’t planning for.
The Constitution tightly defines treason as working with an enemy against the state. But using the term in the everyday vernacular, these people committed treason, trying to topple the Constitution. That was their aim and it’s a very good thing that they failed.
Working on it.
If the insurrection and the fake electors had gummed up the works enough for the House to elect the next president, it could have succeeded.
Ay-Oh-Way To Go, Nevada!
Or toss it to the Supremes. The Supremes have already thrown one election (Bush v Gore), and might have in 2020. Not as confident the Supremes would do something so blatant next time around.
And is Pence going to really testify. I’m reasonably sure Pence realized that when the secret service were trying to squireling him away on Jan 6, that he might not make it through the other side. Shesh, I bet he really regrets not pulling the trigger on the 23rd Amendment the night of Jan 6.
I think you mean the 25th. Pence couldn’t have pulled the trigger by himself. Would have needed a majority of the Cabinet as well.
All Pence had to do is say something like “shit, this is confusing, I’m not sure how to proceed.” He pauses the vote, and with no one getting enough to decide the election, the House steps in the next day and elects Trump. It was very easy and almost happened. When Pence decided to do the right thing, they sent a mob to gum things up for a few hours.
I didn’t know about this caviate, until I read about it. Someone in Trumps sphere of influence did know about it. Once, I suppose they dug for ways to overturn an election.
Trump probably said, “Yeah, let’s try that, too”
That wouldn’t happen. The contingent election wouldn’t take place due to a pause in the vote count, it would only happen after the voting is done and it was determined nobody had a majority of electoral votes.
One big reason why Pence didn’t cooperate with the plan to steal the election is because he was advised that it wouldn’t work and there would be severe consequences for trying.
The VP’s roll is to call out the counts, he doesn’t have the power to do much else.
What happened on Jan 6 was scary but their plan was never going to work.
We’ll never know, but this may show excessive confidence in John Roberts’s ability to find one other pro-democracy GOP justice to join his decision.
I know that they could have declined to take the case after Biden won in lower courts. But I’m thinking at least four justices would have voted to take the case if Pence had been loyal to Trump.
Do pro-Trump justices totally ignore the law? No. Now that the Electoral College Reform Act of 2022 passed, the risk is much less. But that new law was needed.
Our boss had a meeting the next day, he said it was still on if we are not in a full out civil war.
Hyperbole? Yes, but not much.
My guess was that people told Trump thought it could work, and if it did not, he would suffer no consequences. That’s been his entire life after all.
I doubt very much that Trump on his own came up with these stupid schemes. Some of it yes, but not all of it.
As Trump is a bully, he did of course try to subvert the Georgia election with the phone call. He may have come up with that on his own.