uh, it has 412 horsepower (and a manual trans.) No it can’t keep up with a 'vette but a Camry isn’t even in the same league.
you don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about. Helmholtz resonators and acoustic canceling have been well understood for at least a century. it doesn’t take any “skill” to quiet an engine, it takes a few calculations that you can look up in five seconds in Leo Beranek’s Acoustics.
Even muscle cars weren’t that loud from the factory. drive-by noise requirements have been in place for quite some time. as far as “burning tires” goes, that’s all down to the dimp in the left front seat. even a family sedan (your vaunted Camry) has enough torque to immolate its tire (whichever one breaks traction first thanks to its lack of a limited-slip diff.) Guess the Camry just wastes energy.
The Mustang isn’t a performance car? Someone should have told these guys.
You gave the specs for a 2015 Mustang GT. We were discussing vintage ones. The newer iterations of classic muscle cars do have good performance for what they are designed to be. The older ‘muscle cars’ that many people lusted over in their youth were surprisingly slow by any modern standards.
People tuned and hot-rodded them of course but it still took a lot to get them to approach even straight line speed of a mundane family sedan today (a Camry is just example and not even close to the fastest one) and it gets worse on true driving courses rather than short drag strips.
It sounds like jz78817 has a very custom example with a generous 412 hp. That is pretty impressive but it is hardly typical. I would be curious to know what the true 0 - 60 time is for that one and what other modifications have been made.
Since when? The thread is about “fake” engine noise which is a recent development in Mustangs. jz78817 never mentioned the model year of his mustang that I can see. I have to assume we are talking about these.
Amateur Barbarian mentioned that he has a '65 and a '68 and he is the one who started this complaining that the new versions are somehow fake. As you have shown… his vintage models don’t hold a candle to the current ones.
Exactly… in post 18 Shagnasty is responding to jz78817 with the “YOUR Mustang” remark. At the time we didn’t know the year but it turns out it is a 2012 which will blow the doors off of a current model Camry. I made the assumption that it was a 2015 which is even faster.
Just because there was an earlier comment about early model muscle cars didn’t make me assume the entire conversation had shifted from “current model cars are fake because they enhance the engine noise and can be beat by a sedan like a Camry” to a late 60’s Mustang can be beat by a current Camry.
If it did somehow then yes a current Camry can beat a late 60’s Mustang. If not, it can’t come close to a current Mustang even with the “fake” engine noise (which again the only faking is on the 4 cylinder and not the GT which was mentioned specifically)… the current 4 cylinder Mustang has a faster 0-60 time than the Camry. (5.0 v. 5.8 seconds)
I need to apologize to jz78817 because I misread some of the thread before I gave my responses. The newer generation of muscle cars are powerful and nice vehicles that actually do what the older ones claimed to. I am not a big fan of excessive engine noise no matter what is causing it but I didn’t intend to imply that a newer generation Mustang is a shitty car at all. I grew up with people that loved to hotrod old muscle cars and then make false claims about their original and current capabilities so I tend to react strongly against that but I was arguing about something no one else was actually saying.
Just want to thank jz for his ignorance busting. The Dope seems to be a haven for people who like to talk about cars, but are only able to repeat half-correct facts biased by half-baked opinion.
Regarding active engine sound generators, if you want to pick a philosophical fight with the manufacturers, the first to start it were VW and BMW (who are less fun to beat up on than Ford, which may be why the OP picked Ford instead of the originators).
it’s doubly frustrating with people who just jump to a conclusion and treat it as unassailable fact. And then double down with the smugness if you tell them otherwise.
My daily driver is a 2014 Lexus IS300h. It’s a hybrid version of the IS250/350 sedan also available in the US (to my knowledge the hybrid is not available there). In the interior, there’s a small volume knob under the steering wheel called ASC. This stands for “active sound control”.
Turn it up, and the otherwise very quiet combo of the Atkinson L4 and the electric motor transforms into a sort of V8 rumble over the speaker system. It even mimics gear changes - never mind the drive train is a CVT.
It’s a silly gimmick which completely misses the point of the car. It’s supposed to be a quiet, refined ride for effortless motoring. It’s not a quarter mile candidate - although it’ll do the 0 -100 kph dash in a respectable 8 seconds. I’ve tried that silly button just the once, and then switched it off.
If I want to enjoy a good exhaust note, I’ll take my '97 Jag XK8 for a spin. It’s had the rear silencers removed and replaced by straight pipes, resulting in a throatier note than the standard quiet-enough-for-the-country-club whisper they deemed appropriate in Coventry. It’s still virtually silent on tick-over and low RPM’s, but it’ll really belt out a roar when you push the revs up. Best of both worlds.
Quite a few cars in the high performance range have exhaust bypasses or cutouts that kick in only at higher speeds. That keeps them quiet on surface streets, but adds power and satisfying Tony-roar at speed. None go to completely open pipes the way street racers used to, but bypass all or most of the post-cat resonators and mufflers.
