Hey, you heard the lady. There aren’t enough whatevers, and you go and waste a perfectly good one!
Whatever do you mean?
:rolleyes:
I was going to leave this pile of silly points just to lie there but Rand Rover in another thread just remind me that superficial problems other posters have with grammar are more important to notice rather than the jackass behavior shown by NDD and brasil in ignoring that virtually all posters already acknowledged that there should be discussion about the gap and how to deal with it, it is just that it is idiotic to assume that a genetic explanation is the final answer or the main reason for that gap.
NDD never acknowledged the problems his evidence and cites had, the cites did not really support what he said and even worse, on many times the cites completely discredited him and brasil84. And what brazil specially **did ** was not just to “close off a line of discussion” he **did **shut down others that did had good evidence against him.
brazil84 is a moderator? I did not know that.
Regards,
Shodan
That was in reference to his “thou shall be banned” pronouncements in many discussions, it was not just on the pit BTW, of course brazil84 referred to his ignore list as a “ban” list and weirdly he even posts his list in his blog, indeed a clear case of “closing off lines of discussion” while at the same time he was just repeating racist points.
Nice system to have, and it seems that many conservatives fail to notice how jerkish that is.
You still haven’t explained how it shuts down discussion.
OK, so he has you on his Ignore list. So?
Regards,
Shodan
Several times me and others posted evidence that clearly showed that he and NDD were wrong, perhaps the problem here is that you think a discussion can continue when he clams up? Or that a racist monologue in debating is something to be commended and defended? (Remember that the point here is that the defense of NDD and brazil84 made by magellan and Rand Rover is really silly when they ignore the rude willful ignorance of the facts that NDD and brazil84 showed.)
Yes, obviously it can.
Nobody is under any obligation to respond to anyone else, for any reason or no reason. And that does not stop anyone else from continuing the discussion, or starting a new one. That’s how messageboards work, even those with an Ignore function.
Regards,
Shodan
So you object to a poster putting certain people on ignore because it shuts down the discussion. Okay. So, can I assume that you are against trying to shut down the discussions that involve race? Or discussions with people you perceive to be racist?
Also, you say you participated in these discussions. Did you do so of your own free will or did someone sneak into your house from time to time and hold a gun to your head? Of course, you expressed yourself because you wanted to. Why would you want to “clam up” someone and deprive them of that same ability. You seem to be aware that there is an Ignore function. Use it.
He is that clueless heh guys?
I already told you, there was no effort to learn anything from NDD or brazil84 and they only reached for the genetic explanations, even though virtually all acknowledged that that intelligence gap is there you are pretending that that was not done and it follows then that ignoring that there was no genetic evidence to support that key point NDD and brazil84 are just jerking us around, there was no discussion there, specially when one actually refuses to discuss or consider contradictory evidence.
And here is even more silliness, I do not ignore anyone, why are you defending the ones that clam up to ignore evidence and most of the debaters?
And I did continue, as pointed before I do not ignore anyone, so stop defending the clam up “debaters”.
Yup. Works best for your own sanity and peace of mind if you learn to make your point, accept that no matter what you say, someone is going to disagree with you, and move on. Often the best response is no response. It is not necessary and is in fact counterproductive to defend your position to the ends of the Earth or respond to every single reply (which I always felt was Dio’s biggest failing).
It’s kinda like my co-worker Clueless George, who seems to think that repeating his opinion over and over (usually a one or two sentence statement of it) is going to make me suddenly realize that he is right. No, all it’s done is piss me off and eventually, file a formal complaint about his inability to grasp social clues that he needs to shut the fuck up and stop harassing me about it.
If you want a very easy reference to that kind of behavior on this board, you only need look at the pit threat on Mister Nyx or the pit thread on Kozmik.
Done too, but you should realize that then we are “attempting to shut down the discussion!” 
that is not directed at you, but to the departed NDD and the “IGNORE YOU” bot.
Except that while I could not ignore a guy who kept walking into my cube and yelling at the back of my head or repeatedly IMing me even when I told him to stop, I can ignore people on message boards, most easily by either not reading the thread or by simply skimming over their posts to see if there is anything different and ignoring the bits I don’t care to be involved with.
Uh, that was not directed at you, I basically agree with what you are saying as I also did report them. I also later just commented on the howlers that they attempted to pass as supporting cites, and skipped most of the repeated nonsense, the point here is to notice that the silly mantra that they use is to accuse others of attempting to shut down discussions when in reality they are not looking for one, just to make propaganda for their racist agenda, I would not be surprised if even your advise would be turned by them into yet another effort to “shut down the discussion” is like a creationist demanding that we teach the controversy when there is virtually none.
If you did continue, then what you claimed about NDD and brazil84 shutting down the discussion isn’t true. I’m glad we have established that - no one is shutting down a discussion by refusing to participate in it.
Regards,
Shodan
Clueless also, remember, when one sides tells you that they will ignore you before hand and any evidence you bring it is more than shutting down a discussion, there was really none. The shutting down is made by the willful ignorant poster and that is the point, but there are many others that are not like that. And so here comes the other reason I do post: for other readers that do wonder if the one clamming up has any leg to stand of, as it turns out it is a pleasure to post detailed cites that show the extreme levels of willful ignorance and anti-scientific points that guys like brazil84 try to pass as debatable.
The real pleasure comes from the fact that his “banishment” of others does help to show how inept they are on a subject and the best part is that all others can see that and do refer to the cite I brought, showing even the ignoramus who has the relevant info in a discussion because cites can not be put on ignore, so it should irk the willful ignorant that they can not risk replying to show how dumb they are for putting me and others in ignore.
No, there is no shutting down occurring. We have already established that. No one is shutting down any discussion by refusing to participate in it.
I think we might have hit on part of the problem here. You (and others) are getting upset because it doesn’t irk people when you post things you consider have refuted them.
Put it this way - you have made and repeated a claim that people who refuse to continue to debate you are shutting down debate. I have presented arguments that, IMO, have shown this not to be the case. You don’t agree. I think you are wrong and I am right.
I’m done with this thread, and will not respond further to you in it. Not because any further argument reveals my ignorance, but because it will (again, IMO) reveal yours. You aren’t listening, even though I am (IMO) just as right as you believe yourself to be in the racism threads. Nonetheless, the discussion can continue without me.
Lots of people simply never admit when they are wrong. So it goes. Accepting this does not “shut off discussion”, it merely recognizes human nature.
Regards,
Shodan
Your problem is to think that I alone agree that they were refuted, the vast majority of experts and posters agree with me.
Sure, but I’m afraid you did not check the threads where that took place, suffice to say there was no debate there.
But not the current state of science, as I pointed before, it does not matter that you think I’m wrong or right, or that you are right or wrong, what matters is what the experts out there say.
so maybe I missed a nuance, but Shodan, do you not get that if someone puts, I don’t know, maybe 20 posters with an opposing opinion on “Ignore”, and announces that fact, that the Ignorer is attempting to shut down debate? How can I have a discussion with the Ignore Bot after he has ‘banned’ me?