I oppose a policy of automatically banning the White Nationalists

In principle, that is.

I’m not the board owner, so my opposition doesn’t mean squat. In fact, I don’t even know whether that is the policy of the SDMB administration. Perhaps the WNs did something jerky. I can’t recall seeing any of the threads.

But let’s just talk about a hypothetical policy that says the WNs can’t participate here. I oppose that.

Do I oppose them? Yes, I do from what little I know. I oppose the notion that any so-called race is superior to another, but I’m really not sure whether that’s what they advocate. Maybe they advocate voluntary segregation, which is something I would not oppose.

Let’s assume the worst. Let’s assume that they believe that white people are superior to me and to other people of color. Even if that’s the case, I don’t believe they should be automatically excluded for several reasons.

They’re stupid if they believe that? Well, yes. But I think that people who believe Saddam Hussein is harmless are stupid, too. And such people aren’t banned.

Their ideas are dangerous? Not to me. If they believe that they are superior to me, I invite them to take me on. Debate me. I don’t fear a fair and reasonable debate. In fact, I think that I could change one or two of their minds. I’ve done it before with other people on libertarianism and Christianity.

I have nothing to learn from them? Bullshit. I learn something from everyone I encounter. Frankly, I’d like to know how they think, and whether they feel somehow threatened by my Cherokee heritage.

They’re ignorant? Maybe. Well, probably. But what the hell are we here for? What’s it say on the banner? Should the motto be changed to “Fearing ignorance since 1973”?

For all the faults with a message board that I recently called out in the Pit, at least they don’t ban people they don’t like or don’t understand. And as a member in good standing here for three years now, I love this board and all the people who post in it and administer it. You all know that I am a staunch defender of TubaDiva, even when I disagree with her.

But refusing to engage the White Nationalists in debate is a mistake, in my opinion. I think debate could be healthy. And I don’t mean the kind of tomato throwing exchanges we have in the Pit, but earnest discussions in Great Debates (which has gone a bit flat lately, anyhow).

Yes, they might tend to say things that are shocking to us. But frankly, many people on the board say things that shock me all the time.

I say let them come in, and don’t be afraid. Certainly, they must abide by the board rules, but why ban them for being icky?

Anway, that’s how I see it. Flame away if you must.

As far as I understand, it’s mostly being done out of simple expediency to try to prevent a board war, rather than anything specifically to do with the content of their posts or their individual beliefs. Might well be the same if we experienced a sudden influx of cheese enthusiasts, if a significant proportion of them made it their business to hijack threads and spam the board.

We all know cheese and Spam don’t mix.

As for the OP I think I may agree. I’m sure this is sort of referring to a certain new Banned member with a perchant for colours and a few friends popping up. I have to say I hate the views and the posts were assinine but if we ban people for that sooner or later we’ll all be gone.

That being said, I understand that the Board has its rules and Freedom of speech goes only so far. As we signed onto the board knowing the rules we can’t complain too much.

Board wars and excessive, reactionary pit threads. I think it would undermine any smidgen of Good™ we would do in GD or GQ.

Why wait for the board war to come to us? I propose a pre-emptive strike against the evil-typers. It was one thing when they typed away evilly over there, but now they have come to our board and flames have erupted. They’ve proven themselves to be irrational, there’s no reasoning with them. Now is the time to send the teeming millions in waves to overpower the evil-typers and set up a new board, with people who will type nice.

:smiley:

Also, it seems unlikely that each registration corresponds to a unique individual.

One of my favority quotes, from On Liberty:

And if that were happening here, I’d be opposed to it.

However, spamming the board with multiple, pre-packaged threads is acting like a jerk. Few of those guys showed any inclination to respond to the substantive critiques from us Dopers, either–coming here was just an excuse to plaster the forums with semi-literate drivel. Moreover, at least one of them indicated elsewhere that he has used multiple socks over here. Such acts are ban-worthy, regardless of the content of their posts.

So while I’m right there with Libertarian in opposing a blanket ban on the pathetic little creatures, I’m not at all convinced that’s what happened here.

Lib, have you been over there?

Yes, dear, they certainly did. :rolleyes: Go over there, read the “sdmb” threads, see if you still think these people are interested in any kind of debate, let alone a “healthy” debate. All they’re interested in is trumpeting their worldview, not listening to any “FACTS” that anyone may offer.

We do get the occasional white supremacist/racist on the boards, and the SDMB handles it. We engage him in debate, it goes back and forth, we rarely change his mind, but at least the debate is carried out.

But this was a concerted, organized invasion. They weren’t coming over here to debate, they were coming over just here to spout off about their own agenda. It doesn’t matter whether it’s cheese lovers or white supremacists–you don’t do that to other message boards.

Did you read Kukulkon’s multi-colored thread? Did you notice where we all kept giving him FACTS and asking him for cites, and he just kept posting more broken links and spouting off more racist propaganda? That was not someone who was interested in debate.

It’s not a “free speech” issue, it’s a “you do not have the right to come up on my front porch with all your friends and holler obscenities at me through the screen door” issue.

Sgt.J, I sincerely hope you’re kidding. :frowning: That’s the last thing we should do. It would only lead to even worse spamming of OUR board, and the server’s slow enough as it is. Maybe you don’t post here that often, but lemme tell you, I’m already waiting whole minutes while threads load–we don’t need any more disgruntled folks jacking with the server.

Let it lie, dude.

I don’t know what the policy is. If a mod has mentioned it, someone please post a link.

I would support a policy of banning bigotted trolls a little more quickly than regular trolls. I also have no problem with links to hate sites being deleted. But otherwise I’d agree with Lib. But I suspect that is the policy. IMHO, we already have some bigots on these boards (with respect to race, religion and sexuality) and I am grudgingly happy for them to stay as long as they stay within the rules.

And–I was fortunate enough to be able to read most of Sunday morning’s Great Debates 10 or so spam threads before they were deleted, and none of them sounded like they were interested in debate (at the time, I didn’t realize it was an invasion, I just thought it was somebody gonzo who’d been up all night, registered as 1965 Chain), who had a huge racist agenda. All of them had at least one, and usually several, links to various racist/white supremacist websites or news articles.

Anyway, he was obviously just there to toot his own horn, and I figured, “Ah, the Great Debaters will deal with him, all in good time.” So by the time I got back Sunday afternoon, he’d been locked down, and none of the other similar threads on Sunday and Monday that I happened to catch before they disappeared were interested in “healthy debate”, either. All of them had an OP vaguely phrased as a question, dealing with “race” in some way, and had links to racist/white supremacist websites or news articles.

Not interested in a debate–just a platform.

Props to the mods, again, for quick reflexes and good wrist action on those flyswatters.

Lib: I’ll vouch for what DDG says, if you don’t want to to go over and wallow in their board’s filth. They very clearly said that they’re coming over here en masse to show us liberals (heh, they don’t know you ‘n’ me very well, do they Lib? :smiley: ) what they’re made of.

Fenris

I hate Illinois Nazis.

I’ve dealt with an WN influx on my site - and I had to bring down the bannage on most of them. On that occasion, I think a lot of 'em were just misguided teenagers looking for somewhere to mouth off.

There are a couple who have stuck around and actually post productively, but I made it clear to them that the racist crap will not be tolerated. Oddly enough, they don’t mind the restriction. I’m thinking it must be a relief to post on a forum where you don’t have to inject hate into everything you say to avoid derision from the other members.

I saw a WN board that had a “Movies” forum. A poster amiably mentioned that his favorite movie was Spaceballs. The next poster expressed that he couldn’t believe that the OP liked “that jew movie”. The OP responded something like “Well I hate that it’s from a jew, :mad: but it’s pretty funny!”

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Fried spam and cheese sandwich. Yummy!
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There is a message board here called In My Humble Opinion, but I fear there opinions are not humble.

And MPSIMS does not stand for Mundane Pontless Shit I Must Spew.

I believe the Mods handled this situation correctly. Bravo!

From the straightdope.com thread in their Lounge Forum

However they also admit to multiple usernames etc.

I agree that a blanket ban of people is bad. Hey there’s a hell of a lot of people I disagree with here but I don’t see them banned but these guys are dipshits. In another thread they talk about how they invaded Michael Moores MB and how they are still pulling the cement from their teeth :rolleyes:

Fuck’em

Trolling, jerkish behaviour and massive sock puppetry.

They got the Banning the earned.

They were banned for being ignorant hateful racist morons, they violated the rules and got bum rushed.

I think your completely wrong on this one. They didn’t want “debate” and they acted jerk-ishly when they did get it.

The mods did a bang up job on this issue.

Ok I know you can’t link to them as not to start a board war, but could someone tell me their name so I can plug it into google and get a good laugh over them calling us “monkey lovers”… I nearly fell out of my seat the first time I saw the ethenic cleansing game. :eek:

stormfront.org and have a look at the forums.

Wipe your computer clean after.

Hehe I’ve been there. Oddly enough - most of the nutsacks who came to my site had previously been banned from SF. Just how insane you have to be to pull that off is beyond my comprehension. They had to start their own forum (which was even more bizarre than the above).

Dang it!

I meant “weren’t” banned for being . . . . .

Sorry. Bobo the typo posting monkey strikes again.

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