That was . . . weird. Nothing in that episode made sense. The Doctor didn’t try very hard to stop anyone from going to the Siren. He didn’t even seem that concerned about Rory. He said they could communicate with the Siren, but he didn’t really try. (Couldn’t he speak a language it would understand?) His idea that they should all cut themselves seemed utterly ridiculous given what he knew at the time. And Amy giving CPR to Rory? While he just stands their looking worried? Seriously??? The Doctor doesn’t have anything on the TARDIS that can treat water inhalation? No sick bay? His screwdriver can’t do anything? He can’t even offer advice about more advanced lifesaving techniques??? They don’t even DO “the kiss of life any more”! It’s all chest compressions! And that’s only if, you know, the heart has stopped! I mean, come on. That was just ridiculous.
Wait. Mouth to mouth isn’t done anymore? How long ago did it stop?
Yes there is still breathing done. Bag and mask if possible and mouth shield at least if you have one.
I am tired of them killing Rory. What, is he Kenny from South park? If River kills him he better at least stay dead.
And Eye patch lady there tells us what?
And where is the pirate crew going on the ship and why?
Not one of the better eps. A meh filler.
2008, according to this news article. Though admittedly, that says that it should still be done in cases of near-drowning. But still, the Doctor should be able to do better!
In reality, CPR isn’t even treatment for anything; it’s just a way of prolonging life until medical personell arrive. But every show gets that wrong. Actually, I wonder how many people have dies because someone had the wrong idea about CPR from watching TV? You DO NOT stop giving CPR just because someone doesn’t recover. (Again, that’s not the point!) In fact, when I was trained in CPR, they told us that if you start CPR and then stop before paramedics arrive, you can be charged with criminal negligence. I imagine that would be a hard case to make stick, and Good Samaritan laws generally protect against such things if you act in good faith to help someone, but the point is, you never use CPR like Amy (and every other character on television to use CPR ever) did. First you make sure medical help is coming, then you keep doing CPR until they get there.
So, who do we think eyepatch lady is?
As far as I know, the chest compressions combined with breaths is still better when done correctly compared to just compressions alone. Some places have moved to compression only training mainly for two reasons:
- Doing compressions alone is easier for someone with no training. For example it’s easier to advice someone on the phone for just the compression method.
- People trained in CPR are more likely to actually try to resuscitate if they’ve been taught the compression only method. This could be because the compressions only method is simpler, or because people are uneasy about getting in mouth to mouth contact. So even if it’s less effective, you end up with a greater number of patients resuscitated with the compressions only method.
I did my first aid training earlier this year, and they said that compressions only is better than no CPR at all, but not as good as the standard method. The breaths were said to be especially vital in drowning cases.
Big guess:My guess is she’s the Obstetrician when Amy’s giving birth. Only it’s an alternate Amy that has split off either in an upcoming episode, or last series, the same split which causes the alternate Doctor we saw dying in The Impossible Astronaut.
Well the first two episodes had an intensity to them, and judging from the 'net buzz, went over hugely well with the audience.
Next weeks’ episode was written by Neil Gaiman - meaning that there is a strong contingent of viewers who will are guarunteed to say that it is the single best episode of “Doctor Who” ever written - regardless of the actual quality of the show.
I guess the producers figured they could sacrifice this episode by sticking their weakest story of the year here, and people would forget about it as quickly as they would about seeing a Silent.
That’s because the Doctor on Voyager was meant to work on humans. This thing wasn’t - so it didn’t know what the baseline was. Just like the gas mask zombies - the healer didn’t know what was needed.
I’m thinking that it’s going to be something that is ‘managing’ or ‘taking care of’ Amy’s daughter. The girl sees all these things because she’s somehow psychically watching her parents, but her guardian is flipping open a viewport and saying (for the girl’s benefit) “No, it’s just a dream.” Why? Who knows. It’s a shitty theory at this point.
-Joe
Something that my wife and I both noticed this episode.
At one point we’ve got Amy, Rory, Toby, and the two remaining pirates (apart from the Captain) locked in a room. The two pirates are going to leave, and Toby cuts one of them with the cutlass.
Then, the other pirate decides it’s time to go it alone, and he runs off and grabs the treasure, only to be eaten by the Siren because of the crown.
…and when we get back to the room the other pirate seems to have vanished. What happened? Did we both miss something?
Oh - and has nobody postulated that the TARDIS is somehow wounded, which is why the Siren grabbed it?
-Joe
I noticed the vanishing crewman too. I’m willing to bet that there was a “missing moment” that may be explained later on in the series. Kind of like the scene from last year’s episode “Flesh & Stone” where the Doctor (after losing his jacket) is shown talking to Amy with the jacket still on - there were a lot of comments about the “goof”, but it turned out it wasn’t a goof at all. Last weeks’ episode “Day of the Moon” has some obvious “missing scenes” from it, and perhaps this is going to be a running theme for the year - “missing moments.”
At least, I’m hoping that’s the case. Otherwise, that is a tremendously sloppy gaffe.
As for the TARDIS disappearing on its’ own - I think that was just a case of it being caught in the interdimensional shift. Remember, the three travellers were originally trying to home in on a distress signal that the spaceship was sending out, and only inadvertantly landed on the pirate ship. I think when the Doctor fired up the engines, the ship “realized” that it had landed in the wrong place and simply went were it had originally intended to go.
A similar incident occured in the original series serial “the Android Invasion” - the 4th Doctor & Sarah-Jane land on what they think is Earth. The Doctor remarks that the TARDIS scanners seemed to be acting up - as if confused. Later, the TARDIS dematerializes without the Doc or S-J onboard. Eventually, the Doctor deduces that they were not really on Earth, but on a facsimile. He explained that the TARDIS landed there by accident, “thinking” it was Earth. When the ship realized it was not where it had intended to go, it simply completed its’ journey to the real Earth.
My own personal guess:
Amy is in a some sort of hospital. She is having flashbacks to her adventures with The Doctor. Sometimes she sees the medical doctor looking through the hatch, and it becomes part of her vision. Eyepatch lady says that Amy is dreaming, and she is.
This doesn’t mean that the whole season is a dream. Almost all of it really happened, in universe. It’s just that we’re seeing Amy’s memories of the events, rather than the events themselves.
That is a great explanation. Unless and until something contradictory comes along, I’m going to go with this one. 
As long as this is some sort of new Ood story, I’m up for it. They’ve not yet run their course for me.
“Dammit Amy, I’m a Doctor, not a doctor.” 
My thought on the ending was that too, it was Voyager’s EMH meets the Empty Child.
“Thar be reefs in space, me mateys!”
Do Not Collide With Large Solid Objects is a pretty basic concept, I think they’ll manage that one, it’s things like radiation that will kill them.
He may not be an Earthling by birth, but he seems to be on Earth often enough to qualify for residency. Not to mention all that saving the planet business. Didn’t he officially work for UNIT back in the 1970’s? He might even hold British citizenship for all I know, but being a legal alien is quite possible, in which case that use of an inclusive possessive isn’t so odd.
Or were you thinking of something else?
^ This.
The Siren actually did seem to understand him, but never spoke back. Maybe whoever created it wanted its holodoctor to be seen and not heard?
It could be the TARDIS sick bay is set up for Gallifreyans, not humans, which might be a serious problem. While the Doctor might have the excuse of being an alien and not knowing much about human phsysiology that seems…odd given how much he hangs out with humans, how long he has done that, and the sheer number of injured humans he has encountered in his life, you’d think he’d pick up at least some knowledge.
Since drowned Time Lords probably just regenerate maybe he doesn’t have any useful advice?
I’m just glad they showed that doing CPR actually takes some effort, Amy seemed to be putting some muscle into it. But yeah, it’s not terribly realistic. So what else is new on TV?
Well, I’m sure there’s some accounting for circumstances – if you do CPR for an hour or two and you stop because you’re exhausted I doubt you’ll be in trouble over it. The point is, it’s hard work and you have to keep at it as long as you possibly can, not stop because you’re a just little tired or uncomfortable. You go at it until you really can’t any more.
The Vanishing Crewman – a LOT of people have noticed this on the internet.
Unless, of course, the victim, who waited on you for two thousand years and protected you from harm the whole time, including dragging your enormous bloody prison cell through London during the Blitz, just told you that he knows you would never give up, because then, you know, I think it’s fair to say after a couple of minutes that you’ve…er…given it your best…er…Oh look, he’s coming back to life. Isn’t that nice!
Can I just get some confirmation that my timeline is correct here?
Let’s call the current Doctor “current Doctor” and the Doctor that goes through 200+ years and then comes back to be killed, “future Doctor.”
Current Doctor is going on adventures with Amy and Rory, and does not realize that his future self is to be shot by a mysterious figure in a spacesuit on a beach.
At some point, current Doctor will go off on his own for two hundred years, waving at Amy and Rory from televised historical events and the like, and at the end he will have become future Doctor.
Future Doctor calls up Amy and Rory and says “hey, let’s have some more adventures and meet up on this beach,” and they say OK and meet up, and then he gets shot by the spacesuit person.
Current Doctor then shows up, having been summoned (unbeknownst to him) by future Doctor, and has no idea that his future self has just been shot and killed.
Do I have that right?
I think the point is that Rory trusted Amy to do it, and The Doctor allowed her to do so. Possibly he could have done better, maybe he could have saved Rory with a flick of a switch, but he wanted Amy to do it.
No, drowned timelords die. See the episode Turn Left.
So far, with just the episodes that we have been shown. Yes, that is correct.