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Thank you kindly, Exsprix. I was hoping someone had beat me to it.
Now maybe I could return the favor and spell your fricken’ name right!
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That should read Esprix.
ralph - Winnona was found guilty.
Two things that have been bothering me:
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Wouldn’t it have made more sense for a married man having an affair to SAY he was going fishing on Christmas Eve and go see his girlfriend? Don’t married affair people try to finagle all sorts of situations to see their lovers? Why would he waste such a great opportunity and actually go fishing?
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Everyone has said that SP was a great guy, yet, it seems like he has acted like a complete jerk since this began. Which is it? Is he a jerk or is he a great guy? If he is a great guy, why is he acting like a jerk?
I have heard speculation that satanists kill 50000 babies each year, yet not a shred of credible evidence that even one has killed.
I have heard of many cases where somebody murdered another because God ordered them to. There’s a lady down in Houston who killed 5 of her kids for that reason.
This is (obviously) not intended to imply that murder is justified by any higher authority, but to attempt to add a little logical irony to those (cough… Summertime) who will eventually believe in crap if someone says it enough.
I too have known a couple of Satanists. They are far more likely to kill an elf with a 20 sided pair of dice than harm even the cutest of puppies.
Sat on Cookie is wondering:
Well, that particular night he was busy killing his wife.
That’s my point Sofa King! (Although I realize I was not very clear on what the heck my point was).
Person who follows the Rede checking in. I’m an eclectic Pagan, but I stick mainly to Celtic Shamanistic pratices. I follow the Rede, which states “An It Harm None, Do As Ye Will”. To translate, if it harms NONE/NOTHING I can do it. I have to consider what my actions will do, before I act. This does not mean I cannot defend myself or loved ones, just that I consider before I act. I have the right to survive, intact, and the right to defend myself against attacks.
Put another way, I follow the Golden Rule to the best of my abilities. Some days are better disciplined than others. I follow the laws of the land. If I see something that needs to be done, that I can do, I do it. If that means helping the little old lady down the street get her groceries out of the cab into her house, or helping the wailing little one who caught his pants leg in is bicycle chain, I do it.
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Summertime I don’t know exactly what these 2 “Satanists” you knew “personally” did, but my bet is, the were angst ridden youth looking for an excuse to commit crimes. I find your attitude, and assumptions exceedingly offensive.
I’ll wager, that if you search the net, you will find a lot more murders commited in this century alone by Christians who said “God told me to do it” than you will find actual Satanists/Pagans who killed in the name of their Diety(s).
Son of Sam does not count for Satanists, because he was insane, and Christian. He was just putting the blame elsewhere. Neither does West Memphis 3, because from what I’ve read on that case, it will be overturned. West Memphis 3 They were convicted of this crime soley because they were different. The evidence in this case was ignored. Read the link, you may find you agree with me.
In short, don’t point the “Giant Finger of Immorality” at others just because their religion differs from yours. You never know who you may be offending.
Link, please?
Since when are Wiccans the same as Satanists? Do that many follow the teachings of LeVay and the Left-Hand Path? The Wiccan I knew would be rather offended if someone equated him with Satanists.
I’d just like to chime in and say that Satanists are, well, evil. It’s kind of in the job description. However, they are extremely unorganized, rare, and, more likely to fit Road Rash’s description of roll playing geeks than some Rosemary’s Baby Coven. I have known exactly two in my life, both obssessed with worshipping evil. One’s life ambition was to be the whore of Babylon (give birth to the antichrist). I don’t think she was right in the head.
Keep in mind that Satanists are not to be confused with Wiccans, though the term “witch” can confuse people. I have met many wiccans, and not a one of them worships evil or anything remotely close to it. They are just pagan and frequently polytheistic (sort of). Satanists aren’t pagan or polytheistic. They believe in the christian mythology and dogma, they believe that Jesus was the son of God - they just want to play for the other team.
There is a really, really bad joke about what Scott Peterson used as bait when he went fishing, but I’m not going to make it.
Satanists killed me as a baby.
[sub]I got better.[/sub]
I think the defense attorney has chosen a ridiculous course to defend Scott Peterson. I don’t believe “Satanists” killed Laci, and I resent the hatred, fear, and resentment that will be directed towards my religion because of it. (Many people fear Wicca/Druidism as being “evil”.) He’s being irresponsible, and could cause a panic. Already, people are using Wicca, and Satanism interchangeably, as demonstrated in this thread by Summertime. They don’t even show they understand either religion all that well either. If they did, they would see that the accuasations are wild.
A Monkey With a Gun, it sounds to me like you have experienced people who claimed to be Satanists, but who weren’t. They wanted to rebel against Christianity, and chose the moniker “Satanist” to do so. This does not mean they actually follow the Creed of the Church of Satan. It might be, that people like you knew, who claimed the moniker “Satanist” did this thing, but it’s highly doubtful. I think the defense attorney is grasping straws, and trying to divert attention to the facts.
I’m curious, and I ask questions, or study. Let me offer the following insight:
From what I understand of that religious path, Satanists do not worship Satan at all. People who are Satanist, don’t necessarily worship evil. They are Satanist because they are interested in “looking out for number 1”, otherwise known as “Enlightened Self Interest”. They do nice things, but it’s with the idea of promoting their own interests. They are soley interested in self promotion. That is, if doing something will “get them off,” and promote their life goals, they do it. If that means having a wife and family, then that is what they do, if that is being president of a powerful coporation, that is what they do. They are only interested in promoting what they want in life, that is all.
This does not mean you should not be very wary when dealing with them. In general, they will follow the law, because they aren’t fools, and don’t want to go to jail. (Self interest.) However, if they can bend or break the rules without getting caught or causing repurcussions, they will. Also, they will step on you to get a rung higher, from what I have observed.
Granted, there are some who follow this path, who do not look far enough ahead before they act, and they break laws and end up in jail due to unchecked impulses. Generally, Satanists are intelligent people though, and do not get in trouble at all. (Lawyers, Doctors, Scientists etc.)
I have spoken with someone who went a little ways down that path, then turned aside later on. (They are Wiccan now.) They found it was a hollow existence after a while. I asked this person questions about their religion, to understand why they got into it in the first place. They told me about it.
It’s a more subtle evil than most imagine. It’s almost innoucous, you wouldn’t realize that they were Satanist if you knew them, because they still do good deeds, and may even be a “pillar of the community”. Thing is, all they really care about deep down, all their deeds, all their effort, is for their own interests. It’s not that they are inherently evil, it’s that their motives are warped. Thus their deeds, can be evil/amoral.
As for people thinking that “If you are Pagan, you are also Satanist”. I say, go read up on the subject, then come back and apologize.
You all do realize, that according to the strict dictionary definition, if a person is not a member of the “big 3” (Muslim, Judeaism, Christianity) then they are technically considered Pagan, right? That leaves Hindu, Buddhist, Native American branches, Wicca and many other religions under the label “Pagan”. There are some who even consider that Atheism, and Agnosticism are pagan. I personally don’t though.
Thanks to the people who beat me to the thread in separating pagans/witches/Wiccans from Satanists. Satan is a Christian belief, pagans doesn’t believe in Christianity (though there are some branches of paganism that do, which just goes to show you can’t paint ALL pagans with the same broad brush), therefore, most of us don’t believe in Satan. He’s your devil, you can have him, thanks.
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That’s pretty much what I thought when I met them both. Our next Whore of Babylon was a strange kitten. I’m not sure even she knew what she believed. The other guy, well, I think he just read too many Ann Rice novels. (note= goths aren’t necessarilly Satanists, but it is that “dark power” style that they both like.)
Yep, and that’s the way I “pagan”. I never mean it in a denigrating way, just descriptive. In every day vernacular, it usually reffers to Wicans, but anyone who isn’t GodtheFather monotheistic, yet still believes in some higher power, would be “pagan”.
Odd highjack thought: Are Zorastrians pagan? I honestly don’t know. There are so few left I’ve never thought about it till now.
That’s the way I use the term pagan. Sheesh.
Apologies of a sort are in order to Summertime. You merely put a qoute in your response that used “Witch” and “Satanist” interchangeably. My issue, then is with all the others in this thread who have used the terms interchangeably, and have assumed things about both religions that aren’t necessarily true.
Go to the link in my first post in this thread, and read up on what Paganism really is. Then follow the link carrot put up, it will give you insight into the Satanism.
Knoweledge banishes fear. Fear often exists because of ignorance. Banish this from yourselves, and you will know serenity. Put another way, learning new things, is a good way to stop being afraid of the unknown.
I’m not certain. I think maybe Zorastrians are considered Pagan, because of their religious practices. Hmmm, I’ve got a bit of studying to do. Thanks for giving me something to find out, A Monkey With a Gun. 
Hmmm, from this link
Hmmm, I don’t know whether that is “pagan” or not. It doesn’t stem directly from Judaism, but it is also not all that different from the Big Three.
Ralph, sorry for the highjack, but this is what I love about this board. Any thread can turn into some odd philosophical or scientific discussion.
I think Zoroaster’s teachings are credited with influencing the pre-Judaic Hebrew tribes in their religious quest during their time in the Wilderness.