samclem, Sorry, I wasn’t being intentionally evasive. Just have a full plate right now, so limited time on the boards.
Anyway:
1&2. I live in Monterey. This is a ground zero for these types of schools and studies. There is the DLI (Defense Language Institute - literally, spy school), MIIS, Post-graduate Naval Academy, the Presidio among others. This is not a place where wild conspiracy is thrown around loosly, especially openly. Incidentally, because of its central location, the Presidio (military base) had several public thru-streets until about 2 weeks before Sept 11. Now it is all fenced off with armed guardhouses at all the entrance/exits. For comparison, during the Gulf War all they did was post ‘Threat Level __’ signs around.
My roomate is a student of Langholz and she taped a lecture of his.She was alarmed enough to play it for me to get my re-action. She is studying nuclear non-proliferation in Russian (future SALT [type] talks translator/mediator). This is where I heard it.
3. I heard him (GS) say it on TV at a press briefing (IIRC). I cannot give a cite or much more information about this (even what the subject of the briefing was) except to say I definatly heard it. I was watching it with a friend and when he said it we turned to each other with a did-he-just-say-what-I-thought-he-said look. It was a while ago and I never thought I would need to recall it or cite it so that’s all I can give you for now. I will do a search and call my friend to see if he remebers better that I. (FWIW, my roomate says she remembers the remark by GS as well. Unfortunatly, she has no better info of when/where than I do)
Again, I’m not trying to stir up anything or convince anyone - I was just asking the question.
I see nothing here that would indicate that Langholz has any expertise on the subject of aircraft accident investigation, nor any expertise in investigative technique. It appears that he’s speculating with as much authority as I might have on the subject, which is to say: None.
Interesting link. While this addresses virii, it’s just as applicable here.
I have to take note of DLI being called a spy school. It’s a language school for government personnel. True, some spies may go they, but the vast majority of them are just Military intelligence shlubs that sit in dark rooms all day listening to static, in the hopes of gathering some information.
No spy training goes on there, but I have heard that they have never graduated a virgin. Well, not a female virgin, anyway.
re: Stephanopolous
I heard about his slip from 2 other people, one a guy on the radio (morning jocks) and another just from a guy in the office.
Don’t forget Pierre Salinger.
Well, maybe we’re splitting hairs or I used the term too broadly, but I have known several people who went there to (A) learn the language and then (B) go to the country for the purposes of gathering intelligence information. To me, the layperson, that is spying. "Military intelligence ‘schlubs’ " that monitor foreign broadcast for the purpose of gathering military intelligence, again, to me, falls into that catagory.
I would guess that’s why it’s called the Defense Language Institute.
From their web site you find:
So I guess, in a long-winded way, your answer to the OP (“Has anyone heard anything new about this?”) is, for you, ‘no’?
The reason I posted here is to question. I should think that would be obvious.
I’m not saying I believe him, I’m questioning him. I feel he made that remark as a citizen (taken in context), so I turned to the TM. I thought that was the purpose of this forum.
However, I doubt that someone who is an Assistant Professor whose Expertise is
‘Biodiversity conservation, environmental conflict management, international environmental policy, conservation biology, protected natural areas’ and whose educational backgroung includes
‘PhD, Natural Resources, Cornell University; BA, History, Dana College; MS, Sustainable Development and Conservation Biology, University of Maryland’ was flipping burgers 2 weeks ago.
True enough. But he is in contact with people who might have that authority.
Given the circumstances, it was a valid question.
Fair enough.
I, too, am in contact with people who are well connected to investigatory agencies, have close relatives that actually do aircraft crash investigations, and have actually sent people to the DLI. It still makes me a layperson on the subject, and anything I might say should be scrutinized carefully, as you’ve done with Mssr. Langholz.
Nothing in the DLI’s mission or student profile is likely to give it’s staff members any more knowledge that a well informed layperson might have. It’s atmsophere may very well increase te likelihood of staff members believing such speculation, as security is a very important there, and at least in my experience, security tends to make people slightly paranoid.
Now, the False Authority Syndrome link is in no way a dig at you, or anyone else. It’s a tool for you (and everyone) to use when assessing what people say, especially respected people who might otherwise go unchallenged. I’ve fallen into that trap myself, as have plenty of others in our community. Fortunately, someone usually happens along shortly to correct our error.
Which is my long-winded way of saying: “It’s unlikely he (Langholtz) has anything to credible say on the subject, and here’s how you can tell.”
Thank you. I didn’t mean to get snippy.
E-mail from Langholz says he got his info from this article from the WorldNetDaily.com free press.
I was going to cut and paste but the article was too long. Interested parties can read it for themselves. I DO NOT know anything about this e-paper nor make any claims about it’s validity.
Interesting story though and appears to cite credible sources and gives quotes to the GS statement.
Follow the link warmgun gives to WorldNetDaily and look through a few of their articles. I sure wouldn’t trust anything they say without further comfirmation.
I, too, emailed Langholz and got a nice reply, quoting the same article.
I don’t think that the World Net Daily is as much at fault as the writers of the article, James Sanders and Jack Cashill(Sanders is most likely the actual author).
This is a rehash of his book about flight 800 and his theories. He thinks that he is an investigative journalist, but one with but one issue. Type his name into Google and you get hundreds of hits, almost all of which are self-promoting articles/links about his missile theory. And his book. And his trial. What, he forgot to tell you that he is a convicted type person? But he did it for a good cause. To prove the government was lying. Again. :rolleyes:
It’s a total non-issue. First exposure to the FAS can put anyone on the defensive. I spent a whole day being pissed, the first time I realized FAS applied to me on a subject.