New Math, New New Math....WTF????

Your explanation of New Math seems okay to me, but I still want to know one thing.

Do you feel that the people behind New Math, etc. were sincere? That they really believed that their methods would work?

Personally, I’m 90% (okay, 99%) inclined to think all of it was a hoax designed not to work. Precisely parallel to Whole Word!

I just wrote another piece about this called “One Thing We Know For Sure: The Education Establishment Hates Math.” Tell me something decisive and I’ll add it to piece.

Bruce Deitrick Price
Improve-Education.org

Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Boards, BruceDietrickPrice. When you start a thread, it’s helpful to other readers if you provide a link to the staff report you’re commenting on. In this case, I presume: What exactly was the “new math”? - The Straight Dope

Helps keep us on the same page and saves search time.

I’m also a li’l puzzled here, seems like you’re pretty much just posting to advertise your blog? We frown on that around here, so I’m hoping that appearances are deceiving and you’re actually here to join in some discussion.

Why?

On second thought, I’m removing my post, I’m really not that interested in this guy.

I was a victim of new math and the set theory thing never really made sense to me because I am a spatial learner. I need a visual image to relate new knowledge to in order to retain it. Abstract concepts such as letters standing in for numbers just make my brain meltdown. “If x = 6, then…” WTF. How can a letter be a number? That’s not equal; that’s just nonsense!

Yeah, I had a lot of trouble with that.

What concerns me now is this whole language method of teaching reading. I don’t understand how kids today learn how to read without the benefit of Phonics. I was totally a Fun with Phonics kid. I think learning to read with phonics made me an awesome speller because understanding phonics helps you remember why certain words are spelled irregularly. I think the reason many people can’t spell for shit anymore has a lot to do with the emphasis on whole language reading and the death of teaching phonics. If a kid can’t “sound out” the words, how the hell do they ever figure out how to pronounce it? I just don’t get how that works.

Apparently it does work, though, because my sister’s kids can, apparently, read.

My daughter is having trouble with the phonics method of learning that is currently taught in Oakland-

I think if it was just forcing rote memorization (which was also used briefly in K and 1st) she would be doing a lot better- but I have learned that I am NOT a teacher…

The way it is now, she stumbles over trying to sound out a word she read in the previous sentence, instead of recognizing it as the same word- many of the other students have the same type of issue.

From my experience teaching (college classes, but I imagine the same principles apply throughout), I can say that for any given thing to be taught, there are many ways of teaching it, and for any given student, some methods will work better than others… But which method is the best varies from student to student. To make things even tougher, if you try to teach the same thing using multiple methods, you end up just confusing everyone. What you really need to do is figure out in advance which method will work best for each student and then use that method, but even if you have the skill to figure that out (it’s not easy, a priori), it’s still not really possible to do that in a large class.

I suppose you could, in principle, test the students early for which sorts of teaching methods work best for them, and then put them into different classrooms based on that, with teachers who will use those sorts of methods. But that would require such a radical overhaul of the entire educational system that it’d be practically impossible.

The Whole Word systems and much fo the new Math approach are fatally flawed. IN fact, both seem to get trotted out once very few decades under a big new name and becomes very popular with all the right set. Then they sorta vanish quiestly because nobody wants to admit it creates function all illiterates who can’t add. :smiley: Seriously, there are records of the Whole Word approach dating back to pre-Roman Greece.

Let’s just say that it hasn’t every really caught on very well. I suppose you could say it works for the Chinese.

Was that intentional? Because if not, it’s hilarious.

I don’t know about math, but the best reading systems I’ve seen teach both sight words and phonics.

That said, I personally learned entirely on phonics (Montessori method to be exact), but I can understand that some people might not intuitively try to start speeding up the process by noticing that certain combinations always make the same words. The method I was taught must have encouraged me to remember what each word meant.

If you’re interested, I can describe the actual method I was taught:

[spoiler]You learned each letter’s primary sound (“short” sound for vowels), two per day, and had to prove you knew the previous ones before you could move on. (You used sandpaper letter blocks.) Then you moved on to two and three letter words–the pink series. You went through matching objects, spelling out words using movable letters, and even reading plain cards to the teacher. You would do one set a day, and if you messed up, you had to do that set again the next day.

Finally, you’d move on the blue set, which was the same thing, but with longer words. And, at the end of the blue set, were “books” made up entirely of pink and blue words (and the word “blanket,” which tripped me up royally). Then you’d move on to the green set, which, while it had the movable letters, primarily focused on teaching combinations of letters that would force them to make other sounds. Each combination would have its own box of the stuff already mentioned–but I can’t remember if you learned one or two boxes at a time. I do remember that the movable letters would be in a box by themselves, and would use two different colors, one for the special letters, and one for the normal ones. Each box set assumed you’d learned the previous one, and then, at the end, there were more green booklets. After that point, you graduated on to using plain readers, where you would read one story a day.

And you’d be surprised how fast this goes: almost everyone had graduated to readers by the second grade. And that’s the point where the bottleneck was mostly understanding, rather than parsing the words themselves. Words that don’t follow the pink-blue-green system are fairly rare, and were more likely encountered on spelling lists, where we were taught to look them up in the dictionary to know how to pronounce them (if hearing the teacher read them off wasn’t good enough).[/spoiler]

Of course, I’m not quite sure where the sight learning aspect comes in (though I definitely eventually acquired it), and I doubt such a system would work without the one-on-one attention necessary for the Montessori method.

“Simple, so very simple, that only a child could do it!”

Who am I quoting?

“New Math” by Tom Lehrer.

You’ve probably heard it all before, but I feel compelled to say: You’ve misunderstood what “x = 6” means, and what it actually means really isn’t hard to understand for anyone intelligent enough to write complete sentences (which you are of course!).

“x = 6” means “for now, we are using the letter ‘x’ to stand for the number 6.”

It’s as simple as that.

It’s my understanding that Whole Word went away decades ago. Some preliminary research seemed to support it, then the great majority of further research showed it doesn’t work, and educators stopped using it.

There seems to be a fundamental confusion at work here in both cases. Anyone who can read at an adult level reads “whole word”, and any mathematician thinks in “new math”. The question is whether these are good methods for the initial instruction of children. I can’t honestly speak to either from my own experience; I could read 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (in translation, but an adult translation) at the age of six, and I worked out on my own how to avoid memorizing half of the addition and subtraction tables by using the identities a+b = 10+b-(10-a) and a-b = -10+(10-(b-a)).

I am a little puzzled by the part about “new math in the sixties” including non-decimal bases. I know damned well I learned that, and from the ordinary textbook, in the mid-50s. (And it ended up being professionally useful, too. In the 60s and 70s – far more than now – the ability to add and subtract in hexadecimal was a critical skill for computer programmers.)

Oh, I get it now. But to my little hormone-addled teenaged brain (I didn’t get algebra until the end of 8th Grade.), that made NO. Friggin. Sense. It took a while before the teacher finally explained it in a way that I could relate to with my language-oriented brain. If any teacher had ever said, “An equation is like shorthand for a sentence, only using numbers instead of words,” I would have grokked that* instantly*.

You may have missed my point that spatial learners have trouble with abstract concepts unless there is some sort of relatable visual aid. For example, I could not get past chemical formulas in chemistry class. I knew what the letters and numbers all stood for, but I didn’t really grok the knowledge until the teacher broke out his little wooden molecule models. Then I could relate the colors and shapes to the elements and understand what the hell the chem teach was on about.

Well, my sister’s kids are 18 and 20 and learned to read presumably some time in the last 15 years. So perhaps the educators where they live didn’t get the memo. But I do vividly recall my sister telling me about this and neither one of us could figure out how the kids learned to read. They are both shitty spellers though.

Or then there’s the story of the kid who had to leave to go to the bathroom when the class was just starting algebra, and came back just in time to see the teacher say “And so we see that x = 5”. And who then went through the rest of his schooling secure in the knowledge that x = 5, since after all, the teacher said so.

My current curriculum uses some pieces from new math. My basic take on it is that there are two competing schools of thought–traditionalists and constructivists–and the folks who ascribe to both theories are ideological idiots. You gotta combine both approaches, just like you gotta combine phonics teaching with reading whole books.

So I teach (following the fairly good curriculum) the addition facts, such that by the end of the year my second-graders should know everything from 0+0 to 10+10 instantly. But I don’t teach them all at once. For example, tomorrow we’ll start learning the facts with a sum of 10, and in doing so we’ll examine the commutative property. We’ll use 2x5 tables in this discussion, make it clear that the table has 10 cells, and put dots in some cells. How many cells have dots? (This also helps kids decompose numbers, seeing, for example, that 7=5+2, a really useful skill for flexible addition strategies). How many cells don’t have dots? If 7 cells have dots and 3 don’t, what do you need to add to 7 to get 10?

That kind of thing.

Next we’ll work on facts that add 1 to a number, then facts that add 2 to a number, then ones that are doubles, then ones that add 10 to a number, then ones that are doubles-plus-one, then ones that add 9 to a number–and when we’ve done all those clusters, we’ll have something like 16 facts left in 8 pairs, instead of having 121 facts to learn. Throughout the process we’ll use games and manipulatives (I have a fun little magic trick I use to help kids visualize doubling a number).

One of the big controversies in math education is whether kids can use algorithms. Quick, y’all: add these numbers

347
+538

Most of y’all are adding the 7 and 8, carrying the 1, adding 1+4+3, adding 3+5, and arranging the digits from right to left, yes? And that works fine. Plenty of folks when challenged on this can’t explain why it works, however. And plenty of kids who learn this method screw it up: they’ll write 8715 as the answer, or 876, or 985. And they’ll have a reason for each of these specific answers related to an imperfect understanding of the algorithm. (Bonus points: figure out what misunderstanding leads to each of these answers).

The constructivists don’t want me to teach the algorithm. The traditionalists want me only to teach the algorithm. I think they’re both kind of idiots. I model the equation for the kids, and I pound place value into their heads over the entire year, and I force them to build the equation using base-10 blocks (a 1 block is a tiny cube, a 10-strip is 10 1-blocks put together, a 100-flat is 10 10-strips put together, and a 1000 cube is 10 100-flats put together). I give them my patented “Build a Borg” game to play. I compare place value to pennies, dimes, and dollar bills, and remind them how you could make equal trades between these money amounts.

And when they understand addition, including regrouping (or borrowing, or trading, or carrying, or whatever you want to call it) from the ground up–when they can explain how the system works–then I’ll show them the algorithm. I don’t emphasize it, and indeed I explain that it’s often not the fastest way to solve a problem: you can solve 495+342 much faster if you do 342+500-5, for example. But I let 'em use it if they can explain why it works.

You gotta combine approaches.

Why do you call them “constructivists”?

Interestingly, I don’t recall ever learning “addition tables” from 0 to 10 by 0 to 10, as you teach; indeed, the general prevalence of the term “multiplication tables” and not of the term “addition tables” suggests that perhaps most people don’t study addition tables as such. Yet, I think we all mostly do know the single-digit additions by heart, even at a young age, and were expected to use that in addition algorithms; hm, where did that knowledge come from? Perhaps I misremember my own education…

(To clarify, that’s not meant to be some kind of snarky rhetorical question; I really have no idea where the quick recall of single-digit sums as a young child came from or was supposed to come from.)

I definitely remember doing lightning math in first and second grade–something like 50 problems in 60 seconds.