New Oklahoma Abortion Bill hands over final say to males

There would be slight risk (which I think would be worth it on principle), but I think you’re being incredibly hyperbolic – such fraud would be very, very difficult to prove, even if the actual father came forward.

John Mace suggests the legislature would try to counter, which is very possible, but so what? Does that mean that (in the off chance this bill becomes law) progressives shouldn’t try to bypass it? I’m not suggesting that my solution is fool proof – merely that it’s a place to start resisting such immoral legislation.

“Well, I can’t be certain who the father is, but I’ve made you a list of possibilities. You’ll note I’ve gone to the trouble of alphabetizing it to help you out.”

Nope.

Agreed. It’s stupidity.

If you mean your analogy, absolutely. If you mean the thing you failed to analogize to, nope.

Wait? Does sex only occur because of the “whim of a woman?” :eek:

For now.

The bill is stupid and immoral.

Besides, even if it passed, how many men are out there that want the baby when the woman doesn’t?

Not many, I would imagine.

Ridiculous. I suspect they’re hoping to get the law challenged all the way to the Supreme Court to force the new conservative majority (expecting a Gorsuch confirmation) to show their conservatism and use it to overturn Roe v Wade. Ain’t gonna happen, though. Conservative justices may not like it, but I highly doubt they’d consider overturning it.

So, basically a new law that will actively encourage false rape accusations?

Isn’t Oklahoma also a state with ‘for profit’ prisons?

Because if you’re poor or brown, that could prove a life threatening combo, it seems to me.
( But maybe I’m being too suspicious.)

That’s true of everything.

Well, for now.

It’s not about the baby. Once the baby exists, it’s its own person with its own rights. This is about the pregnancy. This is women have to have a man’s permission for a medical procedure.

No, for all eternity!

She had to have his permission to create it. How these things happen isn’t much of mystery.

The burden of pregnancy lays with the woman to be sure, and I don’t believe she should be required to get anyone’s permission to abort or not. I will only say that I’ve personally know men who were devastated to learn an abortion was performed without their knowledge or consideration. But that’s a social issue

Sure. Like, if my son needed a kidney and I wouldn’t give him one, my husband would be devastated (and, of course, I WOULD give my son a kidney!). But he shouldn’t be allowed to compel me to submit to surgery to save the life of his child.

I agree. My point was it’s ultimately her body and as such her decision, but it’s also inherently and unavoidably sexist that the decision or permission to create must be mutual(lawfully), but the decision to terminate can only be made by the woman.

I wonder about the repercussions of all of those married men having affairs and getting their girlfriends pregnant. You know, the well to do, upstanding in the community and their churches, white, conservative family values men who get caught …

This substantially understates the threat to Roe. It is very much in the cross-hairs in a way that, say, Miranda is not.

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Wait? Does sex only occur because of the “whim of a woman?” :eek:
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No, but abortion does.

I agree. Impeding on the rights of half the population to maintain the rights of the other half is stupid. Now, which half is which and where is the middle ground located?