New Robocop movie - what would you like to see?

I was recently surprised to be informed that they are making a new Robocop movie. I recently rewatched the original and I was surprised at how well both the story and the special-effects stood up to modern standards.

Robocop was one of my favourite movies back in the day and I was wondering what people here would like to see in the new movie, I personally can’t think of much I would change about the original.

The design of Robocop himself is pretty much a classic and I can’t see how they could really improve on it.

I believe Robocop 2 is unfairly maligned, while not nearly of the same standard as the original it did have some interesting scenes and concepts, such as Robocop/Murphy nobly sacrificing his relationship with his wife after the realisation he could never be a husband to her.

I’m aware that the new film is apparently a reboot and not a sequel but I would appreciate it if people would not give away any (or as little) information as possible about it. I like to see any new movie knowing as little about it as possible.

This thread is about what you would like to see in the new movie, not what is in it. A discussion of the merits of the original is welcome though.

I’d give it a go.

I disagree that there is little room for improvement on Mr. Murphy.

Also, that stop action animation may have been cool back in the 80’s but that aint gonna pass these days.

I’m wondering if the reboot will keep the funny commercials bit going. I hope so.

Examples here!

Stop motion is cool!

I’m sure we’ll get a hackneyed, bullet-time/CGI Robo, shooting perps to a hip hop or death metal soundtrack - but only PG-13 violence, mind you! Whatever. :rolleyes:

I want to see more Ford Tauruses.

I’d like to see it set in present day Detroit, instead of Detroit of the undetermined future time.

I would not like to see a major overhaul of the designs of Robocop or ED209. Maybe a little CGI embellishment so Murphy’s not quite as obviously played by a man in a costume, but nothing too drastic.

Must include the line “I’d buy that for a dollar”.

Keep Frank Miller far away from the script.

Trouble is, I imagine they’re going to make it as a generic action movie, with none of the pitch-black wit Paul Verhoeven brought to the original. It’s that dark wit - plus the charm of the original stop motion - which made the first Robocop movie so enjoyable, and neither of those elements is likely survive in any remake.

I’m going to guess they won’t have a suit in any way reminiscent of the original. They’ll probably go for a more android-like police officer, rather than big bulky fibreglass armour. It could effectively be a sequel rather than a reboot, exploring the more direct issue of robotizing a human, and not of the fascistic society the original was about.

Well, the original was pretty rubbish if you approached it as a plain action movie. The plot was the standard “man survives mob attack, sets out for revenge” with the twist that he’s a police officer, and the action sequences mostly involved Robocop standing still. Admittedly, most 80s action movies were like that - the whole John Woo jumping-through-the-air business hadn’t taken off yet. Nonetheless it’s a classic film because of the tone, the humour, the… and it was visually impressive and had a great soundtrack despite costing about twenty pence to make.

But it was the tone that set it apart. The combination of self-aware spoof, satire, and a core of sincerity. It had obviously ludicrous news bulletins, and most of the villains were cartoons. But Murphy’s plight was genuinely affecting, and Paul Weller’s performance was dead serious. I think Tim Burton was going for a similar tone with his Batman movie - Michael Keaton’s low-key Batman was surrounded by freaks - but Robocop worked better on that level because Murphy was much more vulnerable. We got to see him blown to pieces, and even when he came back as Robocop he seemed broken (there was something child-like about Robocop, he was a goody-two-shoes who ate baby food).

And the film had a genuinely nervous feel, too. It had horrible ultraviolence punctuated by dark jokes. It felt as if an insane underground art film director had been given some money and minimal oversight and left to his own devices. I remember the director saying in the commentary that they got away with a lot because the hero was a policeman, and genuinely sympathetic; whatever he did to the villains was less than they had done to him. And if the villains wanted to kill each other, why not?

The other two Robocop films got the tone wrong. Robocop II was a non-stop bullet orgy freakshow with some cartoonish nods at sincerity, that felt as if a child had been asked to make something that was a bit like Robocop, but TO THE MAXXXXX!. I haven’t seen the third film.

So, really, if the reboot’s going to be any good - if it’s going to be Robocop, and not The Punisher in a Metal Suit - it has to get the tone right. The combination of satire, exaggerated but genuinely horrible ultraviolence, and sincerity. Also, it has to have ED-209. And it has to be well-written. I mean, the parallels between Batman and Robocop are huge, I would be happy if they treated it as a Batman film, e.g. classy. But with ultraviolence. It always got me that the villain was called Clarence. The new film should have a villain called Florence. Or Melody.

“Are you dense? Are you retarded or something? I’m goddamn Robocop!”

I’d change the suit, though. Paul Weller always looked as if he was pouting. That might have been a Paul Weller thing. But I wondered why the villains never shot his mouth. On a story level they had to keep some of his face, so that we can relate to the character. And perhaps he had armoured teeth. I dunno. The costume in Robocop II looked a bit camper, it was light blue. And, yes, it has to have someone being liquidifed and then splatted against a car window. That was awesome. “Help meee!”, SPLAT. Simultaneously horrible and funny. Like watching videos of women giving birth. Modern films seem bland in comparison.

“Peter”. The man’s name is Peter Weller. He was Buckaroo Banzai!

As far as what I want to see in the remake, they absolutely have to keep e209’s arch nemesis: stairs. The thing’s worse than a classic Dr. Who Dalek, when it comes to that.

Buckaroo Banzai didn’t play LiveAid. The Style Council did. That makes them cooler.

What would I want from a Robocop reboot? A different movie, I suppose. I find the trend in reboots dismaying. But that’s tilting at windmills, really.

Just a nitpick on an interesting post as I’ve heard this mentioned several times before. Its quite subtley done but I believe the movie makes clear that although Robocops face looks vulnerable its actually just as artificial as the rest of his body.

When Lewis touches his face she says his skin is cold, its just a flesh-like material over a metallic skull probably made to make him appear more appealing and humanlike to members of the public.

The idea of making the new Robocop humanlike in appearance but a machine on the inside has potential but I’m not sure how they could do the concept well. We’ve already seen the results of a more aggressive and robotlike ‘Robocop’ in the Robocop 2.0 made from the bad guy in the sequel.

Somebody above mentioned that the action scenes in the original Robocop are rather static as compared to the high-energy fight scenes in more modern films, I’d have to disagree that sort of action works fine for Robocop because he’s not supposed to be agile, he’s a walking human tank and designed to soak up small arms fire (although vulnerable to heavier weapons as shown).

There is a small discussion on the Robocop wikipedia page which says this wasn’t the original concept but that the character was originally intended to be fast-moving and dodging attacks but this was changed due to the restrictions of the suit, personally I think they Robocop we actually got on-screen is more interesting and well-done than the earlier ideas they seemed to be going with.

It’s not gonna be easy. You can go one of two ways:

  1. Just make Robocop again, or

  2. Try to make a movie called “Robocop” that’s relevant to today.

These are subtly but importantly different concepts. It’d be easy to make Robocop again and do it fairly well, with the right writer and director.

But Robocop was made in 1986 (released in 1987) and the reason it worked as well as it did was in part because it was a response to the culture and politics of 1986. This is a time when people were shellshocked from the crime wave of the 1960s-1980s and felt helpless and angry about it. There had been, and continued to be, a wave of movies built on sadistic, fascist revenge fantasies, some good (“Lethal Weapon,” “Dirty Harry”) and some not so good (“Death Wish,” “Cobra,” and other bullshit movies.) “Robocop” worked because it was that kind of movie but at the same time was kind of a parody of those movies; the phony commercial with the product that fatally electrocutes the guy who steals your cap was both hilarious and kind of satisfying.

Today’s sensibilities are a bit different. People are still wigged out by crime, to an extent disproportionate to its actual likelihood, but it’s not like it was in 1986-1987. Rather than feeling helpless, people today are becoming politically separated - indeed, often physicall separated. In 1986, you were helpless against the Criminals, so you either were a victim or had a fancy car that electrocuted them. In 2012, you live in a gated community or stand your ground. The separation in 1986-1987 was between white people and their black allies, and black/Hispanic people; today there’s a lot more complexity to that. Today people are less worried about street thugs - there’s fewer of them - and more concenred about other types of criminals like terrorists, child abductors, online scam artists, and bankers. In order to capture the same combination of parody and heartfelt sincerity the original had, you’d have to change the story in some ways or else it’ll FEEL old, no matter how it looks.

Good post, and thats the part I was wondering about, Robocop is (in most people’s opinions) a very good movie, and I was wondering what really they could do to improve it. Giving it a shiny new coat of paint and calling it New Robocop isn’t really enough, the original still stands up today as a perfectly watchable film.

Personally I think one of the most interesting parts of the original was the dehumanisation and commercialisation of the individual, Robocop struggles to be recognised as a man and not just a machine, he is an individual with free will (once he recovers his memories) and not just ‘product’. If they could explore that a little more it could be interesting.

But we still need the cool action scenes of course. :slight_smile:

btw just something I meant to mention about Ashley Pomeroy’s post earlier, I don’t think I would call Robocop/Murphy childish, unless adherance to law, order, duty and other old-fashioned concepts of virtue is childish. I would agree that after his horrendous death and resurrection he was broken inside but he was still a human being who chose to serve and protect when nobody would really blame him for self-destructing or turning on his creators and thats something I think is worth exploring.

bttw I also agree that having the correct tone is very important, Robocop had the combination of serious storyline and tongue-in-cheek moments perfectly right. You can watch it as a straight sci-fi action film or as a (sometimes not so) subtle parody of those films.

I guess I have an interest in this because as a child of the 80’s Robocop was one of those landmark films from that time-period.

The satire in the original movie played well with my just out of high school self. Now it seems ham fisted. But I still enjoy the original.

I feel compelled to point out that a lot of the reminiscing about Robocop in this thread invokes scenes that were actually in the sequel.

I think they need to lose the commercial parodies in the reboot. While those were great in the original - like mixing “Kentucky Fried Movie” into an action film - they would take me right out of a new movie.

The remake would probably play up terrorism as the modern day angle: Robocop is supposed to be a prototype of a paramilitary police/soldier for occupation duty in places like Iraq and Kabul, being beta-tested in Detroit. And Murphy/Robocop eventually gets involved in stopping a false-flag terrorist action intended to create a causus belli in [del]Iran[/del] a middle-Eastern nation.

And that would be a huge mistake, I figure. The Robocop premise doesn’t lend itself to hamfisted moral ambiguity - that’s how you end up with godawful dreck like Robocop 3. He was built to take down criminals, and all the criminals he kills in the first two movies are richly deserving.

Now, if he went into [del]Iran[/del] a middle-Eastern nation and all the bad guys were obviously and cartoonishly evil and he massacred all of them, ending with something mildly cynical like glory-seeking American politicians rushing in afterward to plant flags and claim credit for Murphy’s work… fine.

Robot on Robot sex.

Tragic ending - he’s AC, she’s DC.