New Star Wars film announced

Cafe Society
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I loved The Last Jedi. Best Star Wars thing since Empire and the best piece of pure filmmaking in the entire franchise.

I haaaaaaaaaaaated Rise of Skywalker. Worst movie in the whole series, by a wide mark. Makes Attack of the Clones look like The Godfather. Not just inept, but anger-inducing. In a just universe, this would put JJ Abrams in movie jail forever, because it’s clear he has no idea how to tell a story beyond imitating the effective tonal moments of other movies he’s seen.

The Mandalorian just makes me tired. Started out okay but hasn’t shown anything new. It’s just lore-humping through the lens of ripping off other genre tropes. The best part about the series, for me, is the revelation that Bryce Dallas Howard is a crackerjack director who deserves much bigger opportunities.

And now the new announcements? Urgh. All of this is way, way too much Star Wars. It’s symbolic of a production company that literally doesn’t know what it wants to accomplish, so it’s throwing two fistfuls of spaghetti at the wall in hopes that something will stick.

I do like the idea of Rogue Squadron by Jenkins, though, simply because I think she’s a rock-solid moviemaker and I’d like to see what she does with the toys.

Other than that: I think I’m done.

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Well, I’ve liked all the latest Star Wars that I’ve seen. Still need to finish Clone Wars and start watching Rebels and Resistance. The best part of being easy to please is that I get to be pleased a lot. :smiley:

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Me too. Not having a plan for all three movies going in was an obvious mistake, but they were all still highly entertaining on their own. I’m looking forward to everything they announced, as well as all the Marvel stuff.

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I’m with you on The Last Jedi to some extent. What I liked about it was that - like Empire - it tried some new things. Say what you will, but Rian Johnson had a vision, a really solid one. A vision, though, doesn’t result in a great movie if the other elements aren’t there, and the bloated and illogical script prevents it from being a great movie. (In a similar vein, George Lucas had some great kernels of ideas for the prequels, but the movies are otherwise just atrociously made.)

Having said that, the movie is very badly flawed. As much as I admired what it tried to do, it’s much too long and has a truly inexplicable number of extraneous things, unnecessary crap, and broken plot. The movie should absolutely have ended at the moment Kylo Ren holds his hand out to Rey and asks her to join him.

The movie is fascinating even if it’s not as good as Star Wars or Empire… but its biggest problem, really, is Rise of Skywalker, which essentially pretends most of Last Jedi never happened. As a trilogy, episodes 7-9 more or less fail to make any sense.

Exactly. When your job is to just push out as much Star Wars branded stuff as you can, that’s what you’re going to do.

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I think its best for everyone if we pretend Last Jedi never happened much like Phantom Menace and the Star Wars Christmas Special. I don’t really like EP7-9 but they are more entertaining than 1-3. Over all Ep 4 is my favorite.

I think season two of Mandalorian is pretty good season one got long by the end and I lost some interest while Season 2 started slow its really picked up steam and I’m excited each week for the next episode. This season has been so good that I’m back excited for the spin offs. Though I think the Obi-Wan one will be the weakest. Rogue Squadron was a great series of book in the early 90s with plenty of good stories to pick from so picking together a solid movie shouldn’t be very hard and I’m reservedly excited about it but I may not see it in theaters since their movie production is much worse than the tv show work recently.

Disney has done a great job owning Star Wars and Marvel and are probably my favorite production house by a bunch. Especially when you compare it to the dumpster fire at WB.

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See, I feel that way about Rise of Skywalker.

Maybe we compromise and just pretend the entire sequel trilogy never happened.

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I’m comfortable with that.

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My take is that The Last Jedi was fine for a single viewing. The ‘unnecessary crap’ isn’t really known to be unnecessary at the time, and I enjoyed it on the first viewing. I found it entertaining to have my expectations challenged and being surprised. The problem is, now that I know it’s all unnecessary, it’s difficult to watch a second time.

Disney seems to be doing better with Star Wars+ so hopefully some of these new shows will be good. My only issue is there are too many. I stopped paying attention to Marvel because there was too much! I might already have to do the same for Star Wars. I don’t recognize most of the names being dropped w.r.t. Star Wars.

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Personally I liked The Force Awakens, it was a decent Star Wars remake. The Last Jedi was terrible as a Star Wars film IMO, artistically it looked good but even as a standalone film I thought the plot was boring and nonsensical. It disappointed me so much I almost gave up on Star Wars movies. Turns out Rise of Skywalker was ok in a Fast and Furious way, better than TLJ at least.

Rogue One I really enjoyed. Solo was a good film but could have been so much better story-wise.

So the Clone Wars and now The Mandalorian have been the best Star Wars in a while. Especially season 2 of The Mandalorian, they are really ramping up the story and action, and bringing in characters from the Clone Wars and original trilogy.

I’m very excited for the new stuff coming out, especially the Obi Wan series. I hope Favreau and Filoni don’t burn out though. I think they are really the saviors of Star Wars for the majority of purist Star Wars fans.

And I’m very glad Disney isn’t giving Rian Johnson a trilogy of Star Wars movies (right?) Looper was amazing, TLJ was not.

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Oh goodie, ANOTHER Star Wars movie. Come up with a new idea already, Jeez.

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I’m mostly with you. Loved The Last Jedi. Liked the Rise of Skywalker. Love The Mandalorian…

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Me … < checks > … four.

Big Rey fan, hence have no problem with the sequels. Everyone else and all the other storylines are just window dressing to me.

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I think people are just very reluctant to admit how flawed ALL three trilogies have been. They expect new Star Wars movies to be something they never were.

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The original trilogy really wasn’t, though. “Return of the Jedi” wasn’t a great movie, but as a trilogy ending it was fine. The first two films were terrific.

They need to stop making Star Wars shit. Create something new.

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Or you can just stop watching it/caring about it, and let those of us that like it enjoy it.

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Agreed. Those were a good, self-contained trilogy. What came before and after was just dreck.

It’s the Bart Simpson principle.

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Do we need to have so much time and effort put in from people who think the SW universe has become such crap?

Personally, if I don’t like something, I generally ignore discussions around it, not belabor how much I hate it while people are discussing new shows/movies/books/etc. Blanket statements in every SW thread about how much Star Wars sucks and every new thing to come out is the “worst episode ever” just seems like constant threadshitting. JMHO.

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This thread is about the announcement of a new Star Wars film coming out. Are we only allowed to express a prediction on whether it will be a good film if we think all the past films have been of high cinematic value?

It’s often the case in Café Society threads that when a new tv programme or movie is announced, Dopers will express their views on whether they think it will be a good Batman movie, or a good Avengers movie, or a good Spiderman movie, or a good take on Star Trek (eg “Lower Deck”), with comments about who the producers and directors are, who the actors are, how the story arc has been developing over past movies, and so on .

Café Society is, after all, the salon for discussion of the arts. And discussion of the arts can include critical commentary, based on all of those factors. If some Dopers think that a movie will be dreck, based on those factors, past experience, past opinions, they should be entitled to say so, even for Star Wars.

Not saying that our level of critical commentary rises to the level of sophistication shown by Siskel and Ebert, but that’s what a salon is meant for: critical discussion of the merits of an artwork, not “Rah-rah-rah: Star Wars good, Star Trek bad!” or any other Animal Farm variant.

And my point isn’t that all Star Wars movies are bad. As I said earlier, I think that the original trilogy was excellent indeed! Nothing since then has matched it, by my most basic test: will I re-watch the original trilogy from time to time?Yes indeedy, and I have! Watch any of the prequels or sequels? That would be time gone from my life that I would never get back, so no.

Based on that personal assessment, I think I should have the freedom in a forum based on discussion of the arts to predict that the next Star Wars movie will be dreck.

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You guys will have to get behind me. I thought the whole thing was atrocious except for the first trailer.

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Yeah i get it. But then you get people saying “They need to stop making Star Wars shit. Create something new.”

Another thread full of people saying how bad they think the sequels and prequels were, and how great the OT was, has nothing to do with the new stuff being announced.

I loved watching the late-80s/early-90s Detroit Pistons, the Bad Boys, Bill Laimbeer, Joe Dumars, Vinnie Johnson, Dennis Rodman. Everything since then has bored me silly with the NBA, and I haven’t really watched much pro basketball since. Or when I do watch, it just doesn’t capture my interest like the Bad Boy era did. Yet I don’t pop into every single NBA discussion thread to talk about those late-80s/early-90s teams & rivalries and compare them to the crap we have today in the NBA. I guess I could, but at some point people would tell me that I’m threadshitting and posting the same thing over and over and over and over. “We get it, dude. You don’t like the NBA anymore. Why are you still posting in threads discussing the current season then?” I just ignore NBA discussion threads. At some point the complaining about how much Star Wars sucks now suffocates actual discussion/speculation on what the thread is about (in this case, the new stuff that’s been announced).

But if I’m off base here, I’ll duck out and let you all carry on with how bad the sequels and prequels are.