Just because you surround yourself with lowlifes, don’t tar everyone with the same brush. If I find I like the artist/genre, I buy the CD, especially with indies.
Hello, Pot? Kettle here. You’re black…
Riiiiiiight.
Now, as fair is subjective, right there your argument becomes weak.
Law is NOT agreed upon by society. If it was, there would not be anti-sodomy laws, laws that preclude medical marijuana(Oregon voters approved it TWICE, John Ashcroft says no, thus “law” wins over voters), same thing with Oregon’s doctor assisted suicide law with Ashcroft stomping down something Oregon voters decided on, and there are many other circumstances of laws NOT being agreed on by society and also failing to be “fair.”
So, in some cases, the law is a punitive set of words, set out to punish those who do not fall in line with those in power, even when those BASTIONS of law who either create or maintain the “law,” are severely in the minority.
Heh heh.
When I call you a thief, it’s because you steal. When I called you a liar, it’s because you lied. These are factual statements, backed up in each instance by evidence.
When you call me a troll and a fucktard, it’s because you have anger towards me, but no logic, reasoning, or legal standing to back you. Hey, isn’t that the definition of a troll?
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**Oh really?
Then I assume you can show us some cites for the “fact” that they know American anime(Japanese for Screeching Wildebeest In Heat) watchers will buy an anime video after they watch a STOLEN copy that they STOLE off the Internet.
The anime that I download is either completely commercially unavailable outside of Japan (kamekaze Kaitou Jeanne, Oramajo Doremi, Princess Tutu) or has been bowdlerized, censored and turned into something quite unlike the original anime with an innacurate and untrue to the spirit of the original dub (cardcaptor sakura, sailor moon)
If they would release the animes I love (in their original forms with subtitles) commercially in the Uk I would buy them in a heartbeat, but since magical girl animes (that I love) are a big minority nobody ever does. This is true of most anime that is downloaded. If the people who produce those animes would release the damn things I would be only too happy to buy them, but since they don’t, well I guess they don’t want my money.
Yes I would buy those anime if I could get them. If I could get the animes that I downloaded already I would buy them! I hate having to download them, it takes horrendously long amounts of time and sucks up hd space and bandwidth horribly. Do you think I wouldn’t rather just go to the shop and get it in a nice high quality format with nice packaging etc. you bet I would! Less trouble all around! But it’s the only way that I can get this stuff!
(can’t use US and Canadian fansubbers because they do it in NTSC format which is useless in PAL format land here in the UK, and I can’t order from them because I don’t have a credit card anyway, and they always want funds in a US bank in any case, and the few UK fansubbers don’t do the obscure Magical Girl anime I crave because it is so obscure and unfashionable!) So downloading is literally the only way for me. And I am far from untypical.
You really should know what you’re talking about before you embarrass yourself you know.
My cite is in the fact that the sites that distribute the material still do. The companies producing the anime could take them down if they wanted to.
I have a question for you though. Have you ever asked a friend to tape something off of the television for you? If you would do such a thing I think you are a hypocritical thief. Ditto if you skip or ignore the commercials on television. You should just admit that you are a thief.
Now I don’t agree with the people who say that it should be free. I just think that everyone will benefit if copyright holders decide to distribute it for free. Because if its free many more people will download it than will actually buy it, but more people will buy it in general.
I never attempted to tar anyone with the same brush. I absolutely have more respect for people that decide to purchase what they illegally download. But from my experience, there are far more people out there who download instead of purchasing product.
It’s hard not be surrounded by “lowlifes” (your phrase, not mine)when there are so many of them out there. I would prefer to call them misinformed though. They have simply bought into the current lie that illegal file swapping doesn’t hurt anyone.
Like people with money buying his CD?
I have some problems with the cites given for the position that file-sharing has had no or an actual positive effect on music sales.
http://slashdot.org/features/00/12/28/1653257.shtml says:
I took mass communication research methods in college, and the things that have really stuck with me is that you have to make sure to get a random sample, and that people will often tell you things they think you want to hear.
Believing these surveys without question is kind of like wacko right-wingers shouting that carbon dioxide doesn’t cause global warming. They could even be right, but they don’t seem to want to address the climbing average temperature. There could be a number of causes, but they’d just rather ignore the problem.
Note that BOTH of those pages cited, including http://www.strom.com/awards/287.html are based only on surveys, not actual CD sales statistics. This is incredibley important. Where can we find actual music sales stats for the past three years? That would go a lot farther to define the effect.
I think one factor that should be considered is the rising sales of blank media. i’ve only been able to find data for Japan and Europe though and not the US. The fact is though that millions of blank CD’s are sold each year and I find it hard to believe that this is solely because people want to back up their data.
Hi I’m MannyL and I have MP3’s that I got from file sharing programs. Do I feel what I’m doing is wrong? Nope not at all. Do I buy CD’s and DVD’s yep you betcha. What do I download you ask? Mostly songs that I have heard on the RADIO and want JUST THAT SONG, and by radio I mean FM and XM. Also Comedy from Comedians I hear on XM. I don’t see the difference between using cool edit pro to record the audio that is playing from my radio or downloading a MP3 of the same thing. Other music I have in MP3 format is live songs. There is no way to buy them because most artists don’t record their concerts and sell them. but if I want to hear a song performed half way around the world and I can’t afford a plane ticket and a concert ticket why shouldn’t I be able to listen to a song from that concert? While I can appreciate the people on this thread who make money from writing songs or parts of songs, I don’t see how I’m harming you or any other artist by downloading Music. To me playing am Mp3 is the same as tuning a radio to find a song you are looking for.
The very reasonable Sterra wrote
You are absolutely correct that there are many solid business models available where the content is given for free, and the money is collected elsewhere. Broadcast television for example, where you pay zero, but have to watch advertisements. And there is a potential for a good business model where mp3s are given away for free, and money is collected elsewhere, say in merchandising or concerts or advertising. (How do you think kazaa stays afloat? Even they don’t do it for “free”; they make you watch ads just like commercial tv. But… they don’t pay for their product; they steal it)
However, you are also correct in your implication that it is up to the owners of the intellectual property to make that decision. Not the consumer.
People in this thread who are taking matters into their own hands are literally no different from someone walking into a 7-11 and taking a hot dog without paying, then saying “I buy other stuff here, so this is ok”, or “if I like this, I’ll come back and pay”, or “There is no justification for me paying; they should do this as a hobby”
(and of course the best one to date: "I’m doing 7-11 a favor by stealing this; as a direct result, they will make more money) HAHAHAHAHA
But it isn’t the same, Manny. When you listen to a radio and hear a song, the artist is getting paid. But when you make a copy of that song, whether it be by recording it from the radio or downloading it, the artist doesn’t get paid. That is how you are harming the artist.
I wanted to go to all of the Lakers games this year but couldn’t afford the tickets. It does suck when you can’t afford to do something that you really really want to do.
I’d like to highlight a quote from the link provided by Musicguy:
This is MUCH more of a hard fact than the surveys provided by the filesharing proponent on a previous page. This kind of number has a LOT less chance of implying something untrue than those survey results. It’s very easy to tell a survey caller that you intend to buy CDs in the future.
I deal all the time with people who actually sent back a response that they hand wrote, but who aren’t willing to even discuss it further on the phone. In short, their intentions aren’t worth anything.
No, I do not ask others to tape things for me.
Television commercials are not the same thing.
You are now trying to project onto me because I have shown you to be a hypocritical THIEF that is downloading and watching anime she hasn’t paid for yet and then has the nerve to sling mud at others.
Of course, rather than own up to the fact that you are a hypocrite with a self-serving double standard, you will probably try and shift purely to me and claim that I do the same things you do in different ways.
Gee. So, even though they haven’t made it available to you, stealing a version of it is okay, and I don’t know what I am talking about when it comes to stealing intellectual property.
Your argument boils down to: If they would only release the product in my area I’d stop STEALING IT.
I think you’ve embarassed yourself.
Well, I do have some mp3s of stuff that I have no idea how to find. It’s mostly live U2 cuts (they’ve said that they’re ok with the bootlegs, and I already have their live albums), and comedy bits that are faded in memory.
Oh, and Simpsons snippets.
From just my workstation alone, i have 50 Gigs of Data on CDRs, and our DNA sequencers spit out a CD’s worth in less than a week. Don’t assume all CDRs are being bought for music copying only.
Isn’t it a case of the music industry needing to accommodate the new technology that allows people to get music for free and that the whole notion of copywrite needs to be revisited, not just for music but for written work, photography etc.
Wouldn’t LP sales have gone down when blank cassettes came on the market?
I bet they did, some, but taping an LP was a LOT harder than tagging 100 files on Kazaa and just walking away. Take it from someone who backed up all his records so they’d be portable.