Newsflash! Subway riders now responsible for ensuring transit workers remain conscious!

Mouth agape, hands resting softly on his lap, head back, the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) subway fare collector seen here, was asleep. Indisputably so. And so were the other two TTC collectors shown here.

Now unlike many of my fellow Torontonians, I am not too pissed off at the fact that TTC fare collectors seem to routinely (three cases in a one week period) sleep on the job. I mean even though fares were raised (again) three weeks ago, it doesn’t really bother me a helluva lot that people were sneaking by ‘Sleeping Duty’ and not paying.

But what does get me fucking mad is when the head of the TTC workers’ union has the balls to say this:

The nerve! Notwithstanding that sleeping on the job seems to be pretty much a daily occurrence for TTC workers, where does that asshole come off blaming the passengers for not waking Sleepy up? For not checking that it wasn’t a medical emergency! A medical emergency??!! Truly beyond belief.

Look, don’t take this the wrong way. It sounds as if your public service system is truly and frustratingly fucked, and I don’t blame you for being angry (especially considering my feelings towards the Boston MBTA’s level of service). Still on this issue, I see the union’s point. That first picture looked kind of disturbing

From the linked article:

Would it *kill *someone to wake Wilford Brimley up just to make sure he was OK? You could even yell at him for not doing his job, although considering his age and how long he might have been working without a break, I might not even do that. Again, your transit system sounds like it has real problems that need real attention, but come on, how about a little compassion, at least for the senior citizens. You Canadians are supposed to be more polite than us, remember? :wink:

In the first instance, he should not be asleep and should face company disciplinary proceedings.

However the union official does have a point, given that this is often given as a ‘light duty’ to older employees and those who may have medical issues such as heart problems, it could be the person really might have had a serious issue.Lone workers are at particular risk from personal medical emergencies.

I do also think that the supervision in this area must have been lacking, even if only for the protection of the workers, and it also has to be said that the design of the job, from shift patterns through to the work content, along with regular reporting in procedures seem also to be lacking.

Face it, if you have a work role where staff regularly fall asleep, especially lone workers, the management bear a significant part of the responsibility - it is they who select people for the job, it is they who design the job, and it is they who need to monitor and supervise the arrangements - they are responsible for the working culture of the organisation.

There is a certain amount of work related psychology here, why do these workers fall asleep, and can the job ben changed to reduce this ocurrance?

No, he’s got a point. If people just make that little step to be courteous and look out for one another, it can do wonders to brighten people’s day. Think of how much smoother the whole system would run if there were people who’d make a little noise, find out if he’s okay, and get his mind back on making change and collecing fares.

An air horn would probably do the trick.

Then there’d be all the complaining about passengers killing the ticket collectors…

But seriously, if everyone’s getting in without paying because the ticket guy’s asleep, wouldn’t you kind of be the asshole if you’re the one who wakes him up?

To be honest, they all look nice and peaceful. If they’d had a heart attack, I thought they’d look a bit pained.

Or piss him off and provoke him to retaliate, like refusing your ticket or abusing his authority in some other petty way. Employees that are caught sleeping on the job might be embarrassed or angered and react in an undesirable way. Some people might see it that way, and decide not to risk it. “Let sleeping dogs lie” is not an enduring aphorism for nothing.

You all (well, most) make the same point about waking him up 'cause after all he might just be a sick old guy . . . BUT, in about a one week interval, three, count 'em three, collectors were photographed sleeping on the job (who knows how many others didn’t get snapped).

Beyond that, though, two things. 1. if he’s that sick that he needs to sleep on the job, he should be off work (maybe on diability) and, b) the other sleepers looked a lot younger and none of them, of the three, were exhibiting any sign whatsoever of distress or having been distressed before they conked out, and D) the whole “old, sick, injured” schtick is clearly union spin. It is revoltingly obvious. So there!

Well, a true good samaritan does these things just for the personal satisfaction, not for the recognition and accolades. Really, I think the community-minded thing to do is to wake them up and then just quickly merge back into the crowd. It’s better that way.

Who’s to say the person who took the picture didn’t wake him up after doing so? I mean, it’s not likely, given the level of frustration over the TTC, but ‘take a picture’ and ‘wake the old guy up’ are not mutually exclusive actions.

Perhaps someone did. We don’'t know what happened after the photo was taken.

The problem here is not whether or not the photographer took the right action or whether it’s correct to bang on the glass to see if the guy’s alive (which would unquestionably, beyond any doubt, get you screamed and sworn at, so you need to bear that in mind) but that **the immediate reaction of the union **was “It’s the public’s fault.” Not “Let’s wait for all the facts to be in,” not “we’re going to support our guy through thick and thin,” it’s “the public is bad.”

This pretty much sums up Toronto’s civil service unions: “it’s the public’s fault.” I’m not an anti-union guy in general, but civil service unions here, especially in Toronto, have an openly hostile attitude towards their customers. It’s impossible to sympathize with people who go out of their way to hurt the public when it suits them and who blame the public for their own errors.

When Toronto’s city worker unionss (which don’t include transit) went on strike last year the mayor’s first reaction - he being a former union guy - was to go on TV and threaten… the public. The union then physically harassed people trying to drop their garbage off at the spots that had been specifically designated for garbage dropoff during the strike; in a lot of cases people were assaulted. During the preceding transit strike the union said they would not go on strike, and then went on an unannounced strike that started at precisely midnight on a Saturday in order to strand people downtown without their cars.

I mean, I’m all for collective action to protect worker’s rights, but there’s a culture of very active antagonism towards the public here that I don’t see in most unions, so the public in Toronto is going to react to this sort of shit. What else can one expect?

Wow. This was my union mentioned in the news story! (different local, of course, its a big union). A couple things I’ll try and add:

I think the Union is trying to play up the ‘Good Samaritan’ angle. I mean, even I would admit its not necessarily the public’s responsibility to wake the guy up, but it would be considerate to make sure he’s ok. For a story like this, I can only imagine there’s another story out there somewhere where a guard/collector/etc was stone dead in his chair and nobody knew for X hours.

The conduct of employees in transit really varies according to location and local- some people are nicer than others. The Union’s job is to protect its workers, and much like a Defense attorney/public defender, they often have to stand up for arguments that seem very flimsy on the employees end.

If that local is anything like mine, they want to deflect blame from sleepy guy for another reason: A lot of our employees are baby boomers. A lot of them (because they drive/stand around all day) are admittedly fat. A workforce of aging, overweight employees is bound to have some medical problems. The possible concern is that if they came down for the guy sleeping on the job, and he tried to say, “I have sleep apnea” etc then management might try and tweak policy in some way to make it legal to limit workers who have certain medical conditions. They tried to do this at my job- they were suggesting that anyone with a BMI over X% needed to get evaluated for sleep apnea, and if they had it, they had to be on Light Duty/medical suspension until it cleared up. There was a huge uproar, because if they suspended people based on BMI, it would affect a huge percentage of our workforce. That doesn’t necessarily make it right, or logical, but that’s their perspective on it.

I’m probably unpopular amongst my colleagues because I actually believe that there should be a harmony between the public and public workers. Because I’m still idealistic and young, I see my job (bus driver) as a symbiosis between me and my passengers. If nobody needed to take the bus, I’d be out of a job. If nobody wanted to drive a bus, it would affect a lot of handicapped/poor people in my area. So my attitude is we (me and the public) are in it together.

I do agree that public-unfriendly public service unions are a problem, because it polarizes the public. I had believed that if a public-service union goes on strike, they want to get the support of the public for their cause. But if their actions alienate the people they serve, they’re not going to get any sympathy, and its going to drive the public and local govt to find privatized alternatives to things like transportation. Ultimately they should be nice to the public, not because its their job/obligation to do so, but because its common sense in the long run.

I’m very surprised at your reaction to the union representative.

The union draws payments from its members for their own mutual benefit, not the public.

You should also consider that workers in roles that face the puBlic get plenty of abuse even when they are working perfecty acceptably.Frontline workers often get the blame when corporate decisions are taken - its the workers who are in the front line, and its the workers who get the worst of the most distorted images that the media can generate.

The public are not some forgiving generous minded group as a whole, its full of decent folk, and more than a few absolute idiots, who swear, abuse and vomit all over most pubic transit systems. Quite often hold ups on public transit systems are due to poor public behaviour from assaulting staff through to disobeying safety instructions such as to not walk across rail track, etc.

Hardly surprising that the union representative has a somewhat jaundiced view.

Why would any union official place the public first and members second? Of course the individual union representative may have all sorts of personal views on the behaviour of the sleeping workers but nevertheless their role is to defend their members.

It is very easy to catch a few unguarded words from anybody, and then take those words and set them completely out of context, or even to paraphrase them to say something not intended. The press needs to sell space, advertising etc and the best way to arouse public interest is to artificially generate controversey, blow things out of proportion.

I notice in your link, no mention at all of the shift patterns of the workers, not any mention of the fact that the way the job is designed might be incredibly tedious and boring, nor any blame being apportioned on to the fist level supervisors, and do senior managers actually make spot checks and inspections? The article quite clearly places all blame on the individual workers, but you know what? there is an old saying in industrial relations - there are no bad workers, only bad managers .

Good managers would not allow this to happen, they would, like, y’know, manage.The trouble is that this probably means that the managers themselves are asleep in their own offices, my experience of this sort of thing is that managers are usually hardly ever leading from the front - the place is likely run on lowest staffing levels possible with virtually no supervision or even just a colleague to talk to.

You don’t see business leaders getting all sentimental, nor do they have any shame in taking large bonuses in corporations that are failing, that is what they do, similarly, you cannot expect a union representative to put members interests behind those of the public, though they will often take an approach that places the public interest alongside that of the members for instance in the event of safety cutbacks.

Indeed. And that, ultimately, was what I was pitting. Maybe it’s the way I’m wired, but no matter which way it’s spun, I find ‘spin’ an affront to ‘the truth’*.

*Yes, I am very much aware that ‘truth’ is subjective (and if this sentence, vis a vis this contents of this post (one line up), makes me look hypocrital, or even stupid, I’ll take solace knowing that I am right ;))

Having had occasion to do and woken up sleeping transit workers, security staff, and others (a consequence of spending so much time late at night in airports), I can tell you no fucking thanks. The typical reaction is one of embarrassment, anger, and even threats for “interfering with official business” upon being awoken. One even put his hand on his gun and demanded to know “what the fuck (I was) trying to pull.” They can fucking sleep until Christmas for all I care.

On a lighter note, there’s a Montreal bus driver out there who likes to make the LED display on the front of his vehicle spell out SEXY.

True story. I rode this bus on Friday.

You were the kid who stuck up his hand in grade three to say “Teacher, teacher, you forgot to give us our homework!”

And you wonder why you were hung up by your underwear on the nail sticking out of the portable after school…

That’s fine if you refuse to do anything about it. But that also means you give up the right to complain.

Huh?

If you don’t wake up a sleeping employee because you fear that you’ll get abuse if you do (based on past experience)… Then you don’t get to complain about public servants sleeping on the job?

<does not compute>

Judging by worker #1’s position, I’ll bet he was snoring his head off. Maybe scratching his privates periodically, too.