By your scoring we can believe Ryan 42% of the time. Is that an Z- in your book?
This is the overall impression I get from his posts as well: obfuscation and smug dismissals.
It’s not like he is blaming Obama for a auto plant shutdown…in 2008.
Would that mean they’re involved in ‘yellow journalism’?
No, it’s an “F.” But if Obama accused Ryan of being a liar (which, I know, hasn’t happened directly), he would be like a D-minus student criticizing a failing student.
Or, if you like, if the posters here/Democratic pundits/etc. want to barbecue Ryan for lying/being wrong 58% of the time, they should (if they are pursuers after noble truth) *also *have quite a problem with Obama lying/being wrong 38% of the time.
But we know there’s a double standard regarding the lies told by one’s own side and the lies told by the other. I’m somewhat unusual in that I don’t have a side (despite the fact that the more tiny-brained here probably assume I’m a Republican because I appear to be defending Ryan), and thus, can see lies/mistakes/nonsense/bullshit equally when they come from either side.
All politicians are bad. They’re all the same. Therefore, don’t worry about the lies told by a politician. Whatever. Don’t even bother to vote if this troubles you. Really - just don’t bother.
On this one particular issue, Ryan’s words are egregious. His repeated claim that he never asked for stimulus money has been conclusively refuted. His statement that his staff wrote the letters to Secretary Chu claiming that thousands of jobs would be created or retained over the life of the grant but it should have been handled “differently” is unfathomable. What would he have done differently: not signed them? not sent them?
The issue of hypocrisy is a legitimate one, but it’s so common that hardly anyone can raise the ire to condemn it. Actively denying one’s past actions and being found out is still something that bothers people. It’s always the cover up that gets people.
This won’t be a major issue in the totality of the campaign, but it’s a huge embarrassment for the Romney campaign to have it emerge in the very first week after the announcement. Remember, to win Romney needs to have everything go right everywhere all the time. Every stumble that eats into the campaign is a problem. Most will be manufactured and meaningless. This one is as real as campaign issues get in today’s world.
No, we’ve been assuming you’re a Republican because our massive throbbing brains have seen how you always attack the Democrats and you always defend the Republicans - while insisting you’re politically neutral.
You really ought to join the Republicans. You’re already doing all this work for them so you might as well try to get something back for it.
Probably not a surprise though. I don’t imagine this was really a secret in political circles. It just wasn’t considered newsworthy until Ryan was named as Romney’s VP pick.
Actually, if you aren’t too lazy to do a search, you’ll find many posts where I’ve heavily criticized the Republicans.
But then, that would contradict your hastily formed impression.
On the SD, someone bashes the Republicans/a Republican approximately twenty times for every time the same treatment is meted out to a Democrat, and I generally don’t run with the mooing and baaing herds.
There apparently were articles about this in 2010. The point is that the Romney campaign, and Ryan himself, were so totally unprepared to deal with the issue. Ryan is not Sarah Palin. He’s been in the public eye for a long time and Romney surely vetted every statement he ever made before picking him. The so-called political experts running the campaign had to have known this would be an issue. Yet they allowed Ryan to flat-out lie in an interview. I’m surprised bodies aren’t literally flying out the door of Romney headquarters. This is an astounding failure on everybody’s part. You always see problems with the staff, but they normally emerge much earlier in the process. We’re two weeks from the convention. I’m flabbergasted.
No–don’t call the other guy a hypocrite, a liar, etc. when your guy is just as much of one–all that does is expose the fact that what you really dislike about the other guy is that he’s on the other side, since you clearly are perfectly OK with lying and hypocrisy as long as it’s your side that’s doing it, given that you aren’t turning purple with outrage at your side’s lies and hypocrisy.
In other words, the posters here don’t care whether Ryan is, in fact, a liar and a hypocrite–they care that he’s a Republican. (Unless we see a refreshingly honest poster also condemn Obama’s lies and hypocrisy, of course.)
Yes, all politicians spew bullshit, even the Flappy-Eared One. Some are less untruthful than others, that’s the only real distinction.
Okay; let us emphasize that distinction. Ryan is more untruthful than Obama. Thank you.
Nah, Ryan just lives in an alternate universe, where trickle-down economics actually works, four years of Republican obstructionism was Obama’s fault, and anything he doesn’t remember never happened.
Liberals outnumber conservatives on this board. If someone doesn’t take the GOP side, what will you have to argue about?
We aren’t calling him out for actions that disagree with his previously stated policy. We’re calling him out for deliberately changing his policy once he had money. His first policy is that the stimulus wouldn’t help people. His new policy, after getting the money, is that the stimulus will help people.
And, even if what you are saying is true, why in the world would it be relevant? That would just mean all politicians are hypocrites and liars. Heck, I believe that’s something you’ve already said. Why are you chastising us?
And though I have little hope you will do so, I challenge you to cite what bad things you’ve said about Republicans. Even if you don’t believe in citations, people on this board will not listen to you once they realize you refuse to provide citations. Even Cecil cites his work.
Yeah, slime, you’re a rebel.
But at least you and most of the other conservatives are man enough (or woman enough) to come out and state your position openly. I may often disagree with your beliefs but I admire the way some conservatives are willing to come to a predominantly liberal board like this and fight for their beliefs in the midst of a hostile crowd.
That’s why I have so little respect for slime. He’s a conservative but he’s afraid to admit it.
Not meaningfully so; if one lies 58% of the time and the other 38%, you can’t trust what either one of them says.
Oooooooooh, a challenge.
Here’s my counter-challenge: look it up yourself. That’s easy enough to do on this board. If you don’t find anything, get back to me.