why isn't anyone doing a better job calling Romney on his BS?

Politics & Elections
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not some bashing thread, honest question:

why isn’t anyone calling out romney on some of this stuff…?

for example, he touts how he saved the Olympics every chance he can to show what a great job he can do with the economy.

only he saved those games WITH A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT BAIL OUT (over a billion dollars in taxpayer money). holy jesus, how is it last night (10/23) is the first time i have heard this mentioned on tv even once…? Obama never brought that up in a single debate.

Romney will make us “energy independent,” which will “help with gas prices.”

utterly impossible. even if we have 200% the oil we need, oil is priced globally. while there are other benefits to being oil-rich, dictating the price at the pump is a completely false notion. Romney also, in debates, criticized Obama for the price discrepancy in gas now vs when he took office. Presidents have literally no control over the price of gas.

Romney, according to his own words, cannot balance the budget even if he is elected to the next two terms…yet Obama deserves the boot because he didn’t do it in four years?

according to all the charts i can find (and this stuff isn’t my strong-suit, so bear with me)–the biggest expenditures all came under Bush during his last year (“LET’S BURN THIS MOTHER DOOOOOOWN!”)

obama has dipped well below that deficit mark, and gotten close to tying it, but never exceeded it. according to an Economist’s article, only 20% is new expenditures.

this stuff isn’t partisan rhetoric or spin–it’s history with facts and numbers–stuff that really weakens Romney’s case–yet i have either had to suss it out myself or just happen to catch key portions of off-the-beaten-path interviews. none of this is being discussed in popular media as far as i know, and none of it was mentioned in the debates.

i see this guy gaining more and more momentum, and i’m starting to wonder if Obama even *wants *to be president again.

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My impression is the media is extremely adverse to using the word ‘lying’. I guess they think calling someone out for lying is considered partisan.

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Don’t … well, you know.

If the Dems spanked R & R any harder, they’d have to charge dominatrix fees.

The mo’ is shifting back to the O. No worries.

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feel free to add more. why isn’t Romney held more to a honest point about abortion? dude was hardcore pro choice when he ran for governor, now he’s trying to come off more conservative so he’s adamantly pro life. yet one of the biggest reasons people like him is because of his strong, religious-based ethics.

Ryan decried Biden for setting a hard time-line on getting out of Afghanistan, saying 2014 is a terrible time table.

now romney is saying that’s’ HIS time line.

what the huh?

ryan chided biden for some humanitarian interests abroad, and said “the US should not involve itself with humanitarian issues in other countries unless it directly involves America’s wellbeing.” then like 90 seconds later, gripes on Biden for not taking a stand against china’s humanitarian birthing policies.

these guys are steamrolling their way to victory here and ^all of this is going more or less unchallenged.

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Well, it is frustrating to hear (mostly conservative, IMO) pundits proclaiming Romney the winner of all three debates, apparently on the notion of “acting presidential”, whatever the hell that means, while totally ignoring that he has almost systematically abandoned positions that he has campaigned on for more than a year. Which Romney is the real one? Damned if I’ll be bothered to try and sort that out. What I can say is that I simply cannot remember a viable presidential candidate who, in the past few weeks, has worked so very hard to confuse people as to what he really believes.

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what’s more frustrating to me is that most neutral sources cite the obama camp as winning 3 of the 4 debates–yet Romney gains traction in the polls after each one.

what is also frustrating is that in debate 1, Romney comes out MMA style while Obama remains dignified and presidential, ROMNEY WINS HARD. debate 3, Obama comes out witty, dignified but still swinging, Romney comes out all pushover-stoic to appear more “presidential,” ROMNEY WINS POINTS! Obi does it; loss. Romnom does it; MATURE. Romney attacks; wants to win. Obama attacks; childish.

it’s like he literally can’t lose.

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Worries. Even if Obama wins, the country deserves a reality-based Republican Party, like we had during the 1970s and earlier.

Me neither. But I think it’s pretty simple really: Romney will sign anything that a Republican Congress sends across his desk. And in foreign policy he has surrounded himself with neo-con dead-enders like Bolton and Dan Senor. The Scowcrofts of the world and their acolytes are nowhere to be seen: Romney has been uninterested in tracking them down. The weird thing about conservatives is that this fact hasn’t even registered with them. In contrast, I recall being impressed when Obama huddled with Samantha Powers and other idiosyncratic foreign policy types in 2006-2008.

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Both candidates get away with a lot. that’s the nature of the game.

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Yes. Both sides are bad.

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And equally so. Perfectly equal, in fact. There’s absolutely no distinguishing between them in the BS department.

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I guess you’re one of those rarely-seen, oft-discussed “undecideds” then.

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No, I’m just realistic about what I vote for.

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Would you say that Romney has been consistent in his positions? I suspect you might try to argue that both he and Obama have been equally inconsistent. That would be a laughably stupid argument to make, but the false equivalence bit usually is.

So, I’m curious re: Romney how you can realistically have any idea what you’re voting for?

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Actually, Obama is a serial flip-flopper. And on the issues most important in this election. Romney is certainly a flip-flopper, mainly on side issues like abortion.

What I’m voting for with Romney is competence and a lack of corruption. Romney may be politically slippery, but he isn’t known for practicing the kind of machine patronage politics so typical of the Obama administration.

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Predictably nonsensical response. Etch a sketch Mitt has set a new standard in lack of integrity.

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and coal.
and afganistan withdrawl.
and on sustained involvement in iraq.
and on bail outs for the auto industry.
and on healthcare (obamacare was modeled after romneycare in mass, he said “I’m proud of what we’ve done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing Romneycare, then that will be a model for the nation”).
and on roe v wade (a bit bigger than just claiming “prolife”)
and on gun control (i do not line up w the NRA/i am IN the NRA)
as well as assault rifle control
and on don’t ask don’t tell
and on raising min wage
and on the environment
and on stem cells
and on immigration reform
and on going after Bin Laden

can i stop yet? my fingers are tired…

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Which somehow has never manifested itself in scandal. You’d think a guy so dishonest would have all kinds of scandal sticking to him.

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while all politicians lie, Mittens comes off more sleazy about it because, for one thing, he adopted this whole conservative persona when the reps told him the only way “he could find republican shelf space would be to go way, way more conservative.” nearly all of his flip-flopping on issues isn’t from shifts in perspective, new information coming to life or even a genuine change of heart–it’s all feigning conservative to be more in line with what the right is looking for. “i can be that guy, whatever it takes.”

this is the major reason his policies and platforms are so hard to pin down–he’s all over the map if you look at his record and if you listen to what he’s saying, he talks about what good he will do but NEVER how he will achieve it.

he directly contradicts himself in debates (anything obama did to help create jobs: “the government cannot create jobs!” then turns to the camera and says “as president, i will create MILLIONS of jobs.”)

it’s fine he’s desperate to win to the point of debasing his integrity–but he’s coming from this ultra religious, pious angle so his lies shower down from a much higher horse.

and paul ryan is even worse. what a freaking douche canoe. “BOOOOO you for stimulus. ah crap, you kept that letter i sent asking for favoritism so i could use that very stimulus?”

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It’s also pure bullshit to suggest that the Obama administration has been corrupt. I’d sure like to see such a charge be supported by the evidence. This administration has been the cleanest in my lifetime. Remember back under the Bush admin foe instance when TPM could maintain the GOP police blotter bit?

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is that really your argument? that’s pretty retarded standpoint. that’s like a guy beats his wife but no one should believe her because it’s not like she’s even been in hospital or dead. someone being dishonest doesn’t have to manifest itself in some huge scandal in order for them to be genuinely dishonest. that’s just a matter of scale, and a matter of them being in a position of significance.

what you are doing is rationalizing and equivocating. the fact you have to do that at all should shed some light on the decision you’re making with this guy…