Now that is fucking ugly shit.
Bear in mind that most of the arch-conservative types who support the Iraq war have never actually served in a war. They don’t know anything about it except what they’ve seen in movies.
Wow. You have to be really enthusiastic about the use of torture on your enemies to hold up anecdotes in which torture yielded information that was either of no practical value at all or just plain false as an example of its utility.
“Gosh darn it, it really works!”
It’s especially ugly when you realize that it invalidates its own premise right in the article. They got him to eventually confess to false information.
Seriously, what the fuck?
I’m speechless.
Isn’t that the whole point of Cheney and those fruitloops wanting to keep torture, isn’t that how they got us into this whole mess anyways. I guess its only a mess if your not right wing nutjob. Seriously though, I love Newsmax, its a rare day when there is less than 5 articles about about how evil Hillary Clinton is, somebody over there has a serious crush on her.
I have a real problem getting my head around one thing. How the fuck do these guys dare call their vomit “news” ???
If it gives you any consolation, look at the ads on the article to get an idea of who they think is reading Newsmax.
Ok, this is just excellent. Remind me to strike these guys off the list of “reputable news sources”.
I’m really hoping someone tries to defend this 
I feel filthy for clicking on the link.
Mental note: Add Newsmax to my list of Known Evil in the World.
Jim
Bleh!!
As someone who doesn’t buy the “torture doesn’t work” meme, I still find this kind of reporting despicable. There are ways (we have ways!) of addressing this issue intelligently, but this isn’t one of them.
Bleh!!
Lonely, overweight problem gamblers whose insecurities about their ability to defend themselves personally morphs into paranoia about the United Nations exerting control over the U.S. military, and who may worship Ronald Reagan during the winter solstice?
A new low, wow.
So the argument now seems to be that the US doesn’t torture, but torture really works at getting important intelligence from our enemies. Is that the gist of it?
Then as now, I have seen plenty of evidence that it is information we get all right, but false information. Hanging to the rotten notion that torture must work on occasion (I’m looking at you John Mace 
) is the same logic as the lottery: it is true someone wins, but the number of losers are legion.
So long as we torture, no matter what the reason, we should be ashamed of ourselves.
We tell the world we are the good guys. We don’t do evil things. We want justice and freedom for everyone. We do what is right, no matter what. You want to be like us. Trust us.
How can we make these statements, when we do the same things that we condemn others for? It is hypocrisy. It is a lie. A tyrant may at least be honest and say yeah I torture. We don’t even have the guts to admit it. When we get caught, we deny and then try to justify it. Despicable.
Hold on. I think you guys are being way too hard on Newsmax. I for one have faith in them. I think if you look at the totality of their efforts, the kind of people they are, you have to conclude that they CAN sink lower than this. A LOT lower. Won’t be easy, but they’ll manage it sooner or later.
Yer all missing the point.
In torturing McCain, the North Vietnamese apparently weren’t after useful information. What they wanted and got was some cheap propaganda for the home front.
If that’s what some idiots in the Administration want, they can have it too. Hurrah.
The point of the Newsmax piece apparently was not only to “justify” torture, but to smear McCain, who, after all, Talked and must not be a True American. :rolleyes:
I agree. Battle lines are already being drawn for 2008, and McCain has been discussed as the Republican candidate. He obviously didn’t learn his lesson in 2000, so time to slap him upside the head again. I don’t agree with a lot of McCain’s beliefs, but I have tremendous respect for him, and I think of him as an honorable man. I think that that is what scares the far right more than anything else.
Once again, the faction that still resents the anti-war protesters from the Viet Nam era prove themselves to be even more rabid in their contempt for the real heros from that war. :rolleyes:
McCain also gave up the names of the men in his squadron.
[size]Although, one might find it quite coincidental that those names were the same of the Green Bay Packers offensive line. But that’s just a coincidence. I mean, if it weren’t, that would mean that torture produces bad information. And that can’t be possible, can it? [/size]