Looking better. I think we missed it by one tenth of a second.
And you know what, RickJay, I don’t disagree with you in principle. What Carkner did was dirty. If he played any other sport in the world and done that to an opposing player he’d be at minimum suspended for the playoffs.
But the fact of the matter is that the NHL is clearly unwilling to force its officials to protect players. Taking both Boyle and Karlsson off of the ice in Game 1 when Ottawa is on the power play was a huge win for the Rangers. The ref in that situation didn’t just fail to protect a player, he actively encouraged mugging the opposition. And if the league is unwilling to protect players, the team has to step in and do something. If you don’t you end up like the Canucks in the finals where your star players are completely intimidated and useless on the ice.
Watching frame-by-frame, you could see the 1 fading into a 0 over two or three frames, not a discrete transition. If it had been halfway though the change, would that have been a goal or not?
4-2 Flyers after one period. Philadelphia had 19 (!) shots, despite the fact that the two teams spent half the period punching and taking cheap shots.
You know, the Penguins might want to, I dunno, practice defense or something. Maybe have some kind of strategy.
More than likely, but you never know. I’m just surprised I haven’t heard it mentioned.
Regarding todays game…it appears Pittsburgh is trying a new strategy of falling behind early. Smart. They have the Flyers right where they want them.
Money is not going to be a factor, would Crosby want to play in Canada?
I was channel surfing, and started watching a rerun of Slap Shot.
It was ten minutes before I realized it was the Pittsburg / Philly game
I think something would have to go seriously wrong next year for him to want to leave Pittsburgh (something like a second version of this abortion of a playoff performance and some internal strife). I wouldn’t place a high likelihood of him leaving though.
Canada? He is a lifelong Montreal fan isn’t he? The problem is they have more than a few pretty bad contracts on the books. Gomez is at the top of the list. Plus I think the owners will try and tighten things up a little further in the next CBA. We will see how that turns out, though.
I guess the Flyers didn’t get the memo that the league was supposed to kiss their asses goodbye upon Crosby’s return.
I don’t understand why he’d want to leave even if they have another bad first round. That sort of thing is hardly unusual.
Same plan the Wings are using. Seems to be working pretty well so far.:smack:
Your forced to conclude nothing. You choose to make the conclusion that best fits your narrative.
RickJay I don’t think you’re being honest with yourself about calling them as you see them. Hagelin’s hit wasn’t obviously and objectively cheap, astoundingly dirty, nor was it even blindsided. If you watch the replay it’s clear that Alfredson sees the check coming and backs up to avoid it. We’ll never know if there was intent, but having watched Hagelin all season, seeing replays and knowing he’s never had a major penalty in his career (possibly even college) I take him at his word that it wasn’t intentional but an unfortunate result of a clean check gone wrong. 5 minute major and game misconduct would have been appropriate.
I appreciate your insistance that rules be enforced equally and I actually had a long text chat with my cousin about that before the game yesterday. Essentially what we concluded is that for the NHL to be taken seriously, they need to do this. And you’re right in order for that to happen fans need to own up to their players, which is why if they decide to suspend Hagelin, I’d accept it. I disagree with you that it was clearly dirty, but hockey is a physical sport, players need to be responsible for their contact, and suspensions should serve as a reminder. But at the same time, all the conversation, even your posts, has been about Hagelin, very little about the fact Ottawa suited up a goon for the sole purpose of assaulting Brian Boyle (I think there should be coaching suspensions for shit like that, or when Torts starts Rupp, Prust and Bickle as forwards and all three throw down right as the puck drops), less about Philip’s elbow to the head of Callahan, nothing about Richards getting his head slammed into the boards (shade of grey as Richards was bent down a bit) and nothing about Gaborik getting grabbed by helmet and thrown to the ice behind the play.
That’s what I was alluding to with the “Rangers aren’t supposed to win comment.” Because they play a gritty style they never get those calls, nor does the press ask why not and the league doesn’t seem to care and fines Torts everytime he mentions it. It also feels like fans of other teams expect them and us fans to put up with it because they play a very physical game, which is BS.
I never said he wanted to leave nor do I think he does want to leave. All I ever said was that after next year it was an option if he wanted to and who knows what can happen in a year. Yeesh.
The Vancouver Canucks honor the Titanic this weekend by looking like the biggest and best until they hit the ice. stolen from @NOTSportsCenter
I’m watching the hit right now. Oay, finished watching it again. It’s an intentional elbow to the head.
Has any hockey player, ever, admitted an intent to deliver an injurious hit? Ever?
Not as far as I know. Going by their history is absurd; instead of implementing discipline for what a guy DOES, you’re implementing discipline based on a subjective determination of whether or not a guy seemed like a okay guy prior to administering the injurious hit. I can see lengthening a suspension for a repeat offender, but a free pass because he seemed like an okay guy up to now? Seriously?
That is, in effect, a free pass for a team to plan crushing head blows at the end of every game. Everyone’s got ten players or more with clean histories. Under the He Was An Okay Guy Up To Now Rule, at 19:40 of the third period, your selected player with no previous suspensions just elbows the other team’s star into the boards, and you’re home free.
But nobody replied to be about Matt Carkner. You replied to me about Carl Hagelin. I’m not a news agency with a responsibility to broadcast equal time coverage and I’m not counting words. “Oh, gosh, I’ve only used 20 words to say Carkner should be suspended!” Had a Sens fan replied to me on that I’d have replied on that subject.
We’re getting into the endless you-did-it-first argument that typefies this sort of shit and ends only when an adult steps in and starts meting out punishinments. Carkner’s assaulot on Boyle was unmitigated horseshit and Carkner should be suspended. But Boyle’s attack on Karlsson was one of the most cowardly peices of bullshit I’d seen in… well, since the previous day, the way this playoffs is going. And I’m sure Boyle has some previous incident he’ll use as justification for that, and on and on. It’s time for the NHL to send people to the pressbox with the message “Don’t care what happened before. Enjoy the view from the 200 level.”
That’s simply not consistent with the evidence. The Rangers actually had a lot of penalties called in their favour this year; they had 280 power plays, which ranked them 10th out of 30 teams, and that’s actually even a bit better than it sounds because as a frequently penalized team you have to consider that they would have had a few more penalties than normal be offset by a coinciding penalty.
The clock’s stopped while they’re doing so. I know it wasn’t readily obvious, but there was some hockey played in the game, including the first period.
RickJay, you’re being deliberatly obtuse. I’d seriously like to know what your malfunction is. I not once said Hagelin should get a free pass, and said from the begining he deserved 5 minute major and a game misconduct, and came around to possible suspension. If you want to read that as a free pass, go right ahead. You also haven’t owned up to the fact that you called it a blindsided hit when it’s clear Alfredson saw him coming. We can disagree about intent, but stop claiming a holier than thou ‘I’m watching it completley objectively’ attitude. You’re watching it as a Sens fan who might have lost a top defenceman for the playoffs just like I’m watching it as a Ranger fan who knows Hagelin’s style of play and feels he doesn’t have it in him to throw an intentional elbow, much less at a player he grew up idolizing (Hagelin’s Swedish).
I know you’re not responsible for broadcasting all hockey news, but if you’re going to state what hockey needs is an objective voice of reason I think we can expect you to own up to the less than admirable things Ottawa did, beyond their hired goon. Not just reply, but actually come right out and say it. I did. That game was nasty on several levels, it pissed me off that my normally tough but gentlemanly Rangers turned thugish, especially because it was the first game I got my mom and grandma to watch and they literally said, “I don’t understand this. All they do is beat the crap out of each other.”
All that said, now that we know Hagelin will be out for 3 games, the big decision, what could change the complexion of the whole series and make things even uglier is do the Rangers start enforcer Big John Scott, add a defenceman and move enforcer Stu Bickle to forward, or give Krieder his NHL debut in the playoffs. I’m hoping for the latter, and Krieder is much more similar to Hagelin, but Scott and their reserve defenceman are known quantities. Plus it’s Torts decision.
One fucking game?!?!? It doesn’t really matter, since Carkner was unlikely to suit up again that series, but seriously one game. So let’s track this, dubious elbow to the head 3 games; intentional assault 1 game + game misconduct; stopping assault game misconduct; repeatedly and intentionally ramming a head into the boards 2 minute minor. Yeah that’s rational.
It’s clear, as in the Weber decision, Shanahan’s thinking is “No Harm, No Foul”