How about some references on this subject? I’ve been discharging NiCads for years (eg. a Makita 12 v cordless drill used heavily and on a daily basis), and they have lived long and prospered. Second (& third opinions)?
References. Which [ahem] seem to contradict The Master…
However, I think it’s just that the column is cough [sub]poorly written[/sub].
One’s eyes single out this phrase–
–and since in common usage “NiCad battery” generally means “a single battery” as in “a single object”, it leaves one with the impression that Cecil’s saying you should never fully discharge any NiCad battery, when in fact he’s just saying you shouldn’t fully discharge the ones that are wired in series, like for model airplanes.
This guy points out (for radio-controlled hobby model airplanes and cars, etc.):
And the first words in the column–“It’s a myth”–also contribute to the impression that the Straight Dope is, “No, you don’t need to fully discharge your NiCad batteries every so often.”
But all of these websites say you should fully discharge your NiCad batteries every so often. Are they all wrong? Or are you saying they’re all talking about digital camera AA batteries, not big camcorder and laptop batteries, which may or may not contain ranks of smaller batteries inside them?
http://www.planetbattery.com/planetbattery/faq.ihtml#E
http://www.skcgc.com/main/support/appguides/pub1363.html
http://www.camcorder-battery.com/battery_tips.htm
More people use camcorders and laptops than use model airplanes, so I would assume that all these websites are talking about big camcorder and laptop batteries. I would think that the manufacturer of the bigger camcorder and laptop batteries would have some instructions as to whether you were supposed to fully discharge them every two weeks or not. The camcorder battery website above certainly thinks you should, as does ExtremeTech on notebook computers.
Unless I’m mistaken, NiCad memory happens when the cell media is held in the charged state for a long period of time. Crystals grow in the material, and when the cell is duscharged the crystals resist breaking down into the discharged state, reducing the effective capacity of the battery. Normal discharging and recharging is enough to inhibit crystal growth and prevent the memory effect from occuring.
NiCad battery technology has improved a lot in the last decade, and the modern cells are much less prone to memory effect. Older, lower-capacity cells such as used in camcorders can still exhibit memory effect, but it takes a serious effort of never discharging fully to make it happen. The latest high-power-rate cells such as used in power tools (2000+ mAH Sub-Cs are standard now) will not develop memory.
Note that any NiCad cell will self-discharge if left sitting long enough. High current rate cells self-discharge faster, I’ve had battery packs left on the shelf for a month go completely flat. This will not harm the cell one bit, and in fact if you have to store NiCads for a long time it is best to do so in the discharged state. This is different from lead-acid batteries, where leaving them sitting in the discharged state for a long time will damage them. Fully discharging a NiCad with an external load can damage it through voltage reversal, but only if the cells were mismatched, in which case the pack’s got troubles already. A mismatched pack is also likely to suffer damage during charging, as the weak cells can get overcharged. A matched pack can be fully discharged safely.
Note that NiMH cells do not form memory at all. They can be damaged through reversal and overcharge like NiCad.
So who’s right? Memory used to be a big problem, and is still a worry with older-technology cells. For modern high-capacity cells it’s not an issue.
I have had a lot of practical experience with ni-cads and other rechargable batteries in laptops,and cameras. These batteries are supposed to be good for 1000s of uses. But I find that they do not hold a charge after a year or so, even though I have perhaps used them only dozens of times. This is the current situation with my IBM notebook and Toshiba digital camera. I can charge the battery, but it will be dead within a week. Any suggestions?
An earlier thread on this subject:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=8
Thanks All for the info and links!
What consensus there is seems to suggest that you can’t go far wrong by using NiCads regularly, depleting them with out exhausting them, and using a trickle charger.
Have I missed anything?
Let’s be careful with the terminology here. It’s defintely a bad idea to run down the battery completely, e.g. by hooking up a resistor to it. But most electronics devices have a cut-out circuit to prevent this, so it’s safe to keep using the device till it stops working.
It’s also perfectly safe to charge a partially used battery, so you don’t need to try to use up the battery every time. The exception is if the battery charger is incredibly stupid and runs on a timer, instead of detecting the status of the battery. Using a timer charger on a partially used battery results in over-charging, which is harmful. Even some “trickle chargers” run on timers. One example I came across is the NiteRider bicycle light, which comes with a “smart” trickle charger. It actually runs on a timer and switches to trickle mode after 14 hours of standard charge current. This is why its manual tells you to use up the battery before charging.
Like all rumors you hear, this one definitely has a huge nugget of truth in it…allow me to explain.
Until rather recently, Apple Powerbooks had this exact problem–you had to drain the battery all the way down, or the Powerbook battery did indeed develop “memory”.
If you drained the battery, say, half-way down, repeatedly, there came a time when recharging brought the battery only to the halfway point. Apple users were advised to completely drain the battery as a matter of course.
The last year or so, however, Apple has fixed this bug. The Operating System has a Memory Manager that fixed the problem, and you can drain the battery to any old strength before recharging…
Hope this buries any lingering rumors.
Like all rumors you hear, this one definitely has a huge nugget of truth in it…allow me to explain.
Until rather recently, Apple Powerbooks had this exact problem–you had to drain the battery all the way down, or the Powerbook battery did indeed develop “memory”.
If you drained the battery, say, half-way down, repeatedly, there came a time when recharging brought the battery only to the halfway point. Apple users were advised to completely drain the battery as a matter of course.
The last year or so, however, Apple has fixed this bug. The Operating System has a Memory Manager that fixed the problem, and you can drain the battery to any old strength before recharging…
Hope this buries any lingering rumors.