Nope. It’s not a grudge thing. It’s the simple fact that the remark wasn’t “hashed” at all. You obviously consider military folks to be beneath your oh-so-high caliber of thinking.
Funny thing is that, in this very thread, that thinking’s been shredded.
Any talk of Bush in 2004 should be put in the past tense. The simian terminal valve is gonna get shit canned, and his teeth are gonna get ripped out next year.
That’s what the said about Reagan.
I don’t like Bush either, and I’ll be pissed if he’s reelected. That said, I think this is actually one of his MILDER decisions. I’m more pissed off about his tax cut, which is putting us deeper into debt.
I’m against the decision. Not because I don’t support stem cell research, which I do, but because I don’t think the Federal Gubbermint has any business funding scientific research of any sort. They should be concentrating on things that governments are supposed to do, like paving roads, delivering the mail, and protecting us from the Canadians.
Monty, get a grip. You are dragging a completely unrelated item into this thread because you are still nursing a grudge about it two years after the fact. You are being ridiculous.
And yes we did hash it, are you kidding? You became apoplectic and we discussed it in detail. Guess what? I’m not gonna do it again. You’re on your own from this point forward. Bye.
stoid
What xenophon41 said, including the part about Stoid. Well put.
I really got get out of here and off to a funeral, but I wanted to say: folks, if you agree with me, go ahead and agree with me. Apparently my opinions are not what is at issue, given that others frequently do share them. It is my personality. I really doubt that if you pipe up and agree with what I’m saying that the rest of the board wiil say: “Hey wait a minute! You agreed with stoid! * You are actually Stoid, aren’t you? *”
Sheesh.
stoid
the untouchable
Hey, I don’t like the guy much, either.
But this equivalent to Woody Allen deciding to adopt a pet instead of Soon Yi. Bush had the chance to slam the door on this thing for four solid years, but he left it open a crack.
Think on the bright side: he didn’t extend the definition of “experimenting” to mean “sexual intercourse outside of marriage.”
Think on the bright side: he didn’t extend the definition of “experimenting” to mean “sexual intercourse outside of marriage.”
Gee. That’s good. He’s only a coke snorting, drunk driving, moron.
Hope everybody is enjoying the tiny tax cut (for the middle class, a giant one for the rich lasting for years). They had to borrow the money to pay it. The Lott of them are assholes, but this fetid, suppurating, spewing monkey’s ass is an especially egregious example.
I would respect Dubya a whole lot more, if he would make a decision and stick to it, even if it was a stupid one, IMO. Unfortunately, the process of becoming president involves making so many compromises along the way that he ultimately, doesn’t end up standing for anything.
–Nut
“Those are my principles. If you don’t like them I have others.” - Groucho Marx.
First: Go to Hell.
Second: You evidently realize you were the one being “apoplectic” as you admit just above it’s your personality (rather, it’s the lack of one) that causes people to dismiss what you have to blat…er, say.
Third: You were prejudiced then and you are evidently prejudiced now. I make this statement based on your comments before along with your rather feeble and asinine support of those comments and your comment above regarding “real president.”
Fourth: What’s ridiculous is your expectation that people just get over your prejudiced remarks. Not going to happen.
Fifth: Actually, it will happen once you realize that hashing it out is not in any conceivable way your apologizing for your prejudiced remarks then and now.
You persisted in your prejudices. That’s not hashing it out. Are YOU kidding or are you just freaking stupid?
I did not become apoplectic as I was not apoplectic then or now.
From where I sit it’s good riddance.
Oh, did I say “Go to Hell.”
Man, what’s going on here! I come to the Pit looking for some rants, and I find a (fairly) well reasoned debate! If I wanted to get the debate on Bush’s stem cell decision, I’d go to GD. I’d like to point to Chronolicht’s last post as an example of the vitriol that I, personally, would like to see spewed on this issue.
Stoid, in all seriousness, this is why people don’t take you seriously. “Interesting bits” on the radio? Look, that may carry the day on the Ignorance.com message board, but we expect more.
If you hear something like that, follow it up! It’s a big internet, with lots of cool facts on it. If what you heard turns out to be correct, you score a major coup. If it’s not, you avoid embarassing yourself. Either way, you learn something and thus eradicate ignorance, your own and perhaps others’.
Just a suggestion.
Manhattan, you aren’t being fair in the least, and it’s obvious. Here is what I actually said:
So your “analysis” is a tiny bit flawed.
Don’t pick apart what a person says to portray it as something other than what it is. Just a suggestion.
stoid
You mean like you always do?
And Stoid was bashing Monty for something that happened a mere two years ago… seems like we have at least one person who’s got the same problem multiplied ten-fold…
Bashing? Man, the distortions and exaggerations are coming thick and fast now…
And by the way, Monty was bashing * me * for something two years ago, I was dismissing Monty for dragging it out today.
Just keepin’ the facts straight.
Oh, and as for this
I would never drag out the drunk driving and alleged coke snorting…not only is it not my issue with him, it is decidedly ancient history. But the moron part remains as true today as it ever was! 
stoid
Fair enough. Change my use of the word “bashing” to “reminding”.
I’m just accustomed to a lot of “bashing” happening in the Pit.
manhattan Granted I don’t get this information from any ‘“interesting bits” I heard on the radio’ but this is just some of the stuff that was discussed at lunch Friday with a bunch of my colleagues.
These are the requirements that the federal gov’t has put on doing research on the existing 60 stem cell lines (and I now believe that number since the NIH came out and said they had done another inventory, and that was the number, and I have no reason to doubt the NIH).
You can find them here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010810.html
So here are the problems with the existing cell line and these regulations: we don’t know whether they meet ANY of these criteria! The gov’t did a TOTAL inventory! They didn’t exclude any of the existing cell lines.
Also apparently one company; Geron Corp. of Menlo Park, Calif; owns about half of the authorized lines (this info you can find here). That does not bode well for affordability of these line.
Now for the stuff we were kicking around at lunch. In addition to the lines not being able to meet the feds requirements, what if they don’t match the Scientific requirements? What if there are actually several sub-clones of the original set? What if they aren’t pure culture? What if they don’t grow well? What if they have genetic abnormalities? What if we need some with congenital abnormalities?
These are all questions that SCIENTISTS were never asked to answer BEFORE this idiotic ruling came out.
The reason so many of us are pissed, is because we would have rather he would have denied federal funding because we felt we had a better chance in Congress.