Night Terrors, Night Paralysis

M’kay, long medical query here. The only information I’ve gotten on these things has been from my school psychology books and my doctors, correct what you want. (That is to say, I googled it a while ago and can’t remember finding anything special.)

Ever since I was four or five I’ve had night terrors. That is what I’ve seen them called. What it is is when I’ve just fallen asleep, my level of awakeness, whatever it is called, rolls down and within a half-hour it reaches the peak of awakeness again, it seems. Most people’s brains learn before puberty to paralyze the body so it doesn’t open the eyes and look around while the brain is asleep and semi-dreaming. My brain is stupid and never figured it out. I’m seventeen, and from what my doctors and books have said, I’m too late to learn it. It seems that way. At least once a week I get a night terror. My brain does not paralyze and shut down my body in sleep enough, and my eyes open up. I see my room and my semi-dreams pasted on top. It generates a huge field of terror, wherein whatever I’m seeing (usually amusing things: a giant chicken in my closet, “transparent afghan rugs,” puppies and kittens dancing on my bed, a single sheet of paper; but there’s also nasty things: leprechauns, “evil spirits,” floor writhing with bugs, jellyfish) will seem to be occurring in my room, and I know that if it touches me, I die. So of course usually these things float down from the ceiling, or walk, or whatever, to touch me. There’s the terror. I read, but I don’t know for certain, but during these episodes, the person’s heartbeat goes way way high, around 170 beats a minute. All I know is I run for my life in still a sleeping daze to the door (if it’s not blocked), try to open it (sometimes I can’t and bonk my head), and will calm down upon leaving the room or just standing by the door confused for a moment. I then will just go right back to bed and sleep, and usually have no memory of the incident when I wake up. How do I remember these things? They’re rare, plus I tend to yip like a doggy during these and sometimes my mother hears and will “rescue” me and I tell her before I sleep again.

Those things are okay. They’re amusing, although possibly dangerous for my head or my heart. They have nothing to do with my levels of stress before sleeping, or the food I eat/do not eat before bed. They just…are. What I don’t like is my night paralysis, which seems to be the exact opposite.

These are never at night…they’re always in the late-morning time. After I’ve slept a good amount. I wake up, or try to, but my brain has completely shut off my body. I breathe and function brain-stemically, but I can’t move. It takes an incredible will of effort to get my brain to turn back on my body so I can move. It’s tiring, then I don’t get up because I’m exhausted from trying to move, and I slip back into paralysis again. It’s pretty bad sometimes, because I can barely breathe. My nose is nearly always stuffed up, and sometimes the position I’m in makes my tongue slip down back of my throat a bit and I barely get any air. This is primarily what I want to stop. My doctors have never seemed to convinced a sleep clinic could do anything. There seem to be good ones in my area (SLC, Utah), but I don’t want my parents to spend a lot of money or have a lot of hassle finding one. I have many many expensive medical problems and need many types of doctors, we just moved, and we don’t really have any yet for me. Don’t know if it’s forgetfulness or laziness of my parents, but they have enough troubles and before I commit to badgering the stupid insurance company to give us a clinic or two or none like normal and then going, I want to be fairly sure they could help me without having to give me sleeping medicines or whatever to dim my senses.

Any help appreciated.

Instead of running to the door would a light help? Could you clap so as to turn on a light that responds to claps?

I’ve heard that Stephen King has some type of night terrors. Perhaps you should consider becoming a writer and turn this whole thing to your advantage.

I can’t give a medical solution, but I have suffered from a similar problem (though occurrences are rare). I sometimes “wake up,” but I’m not really awake. I’m aware of being in my bed, but my body is paralyzed, and I feel that something in the room is holding me down. There may or may not be video/audio hallucinations that accompany this feeling.

Anyway, the sense of helplessness is considerably lessened by any sort of comforting object/thought/companion that is close by or that comes to mind. Maybe if you slept with a pet cat or dog in the room, their presence would alleviate your fear. You could tell yourself that they were protecting you from the threatening dream imagery, and I suspect it would calm your nerves.

Steve Biodrowski
http://www.thescriptanalyst.com

Back in the 80s, I went through a spell where I was doing quite a bit of methamphetamines. Sometimes I would stay up for 2-3 nights in a row. Well, many times, when I would finally get some sleep, I’d have these weird dreams where I’d be half awake, but paralized. I would be aware of my surroundings in the room, but I could’nt move. Many times I would have nightmares about some creature sitting on my chest, sucking the breath out of my lungs.

Well um…mine are not drug-related. I did not know Stephen King had 'em, neat. I would have lights, but they become what I get terrified of. Lights, ceiling fans, anything distinguishable in my room. My only “cure” so far is to curl up on my one side where my face is buried in my giant plush tiger so I can’t see anything. Not a very nice cure. I also sleep with dog(s) every night…nothing helps during the night terrors because I’m not really awake. At all. I can’t think “Oh, things are safe and okay.” Although often I do grab my chihuahua or dachshund (whomever’s sleeping with me) and “save” them from the terrors.

Jeeze, Toaster, I’m really sorry to hear that you’re having to go through all that. I wish I had some advise, but I just don’t. There is an enormous amount of knowledge here at SDMB, and I think it was a good idea for you to try to tap into that. All I can do is hope for the best.

I have something very similar to ScriptAnalyst’s description-- usually when I nap in the afternoon or try to go back to sleep in the morning-- when I am not entirely in the mood for sleeping and sort of fall into a liminal zone, it seems. A sense of paralysis (where I am convinced that my eyes are open/ they really are open) with slight hallucinations-- audio (someone is breaking into the house to snuff me as I’m alone sleeping, and I can see something just outside my range of vision, typically) and a sensation like I’m being sat on or pummelled from above (when this first happened when I was 15 or so I freaked out, having no idea what was going on and convinced that a ghost/ poltergeist was simulating a rape on me or something-- very creepy). I usually have to force-of-will myself awake, usually by first managing to move a finger or something. Or by realizing that is it just a physiological oddity and calmng dowm until I either do wake up or fall entirely asleep.

Well toaster first of all don’t worry there are a couple options for your condition. First of all what you are refering to is a disruption in your theta state often called lucid awakness. It is very treatable from a therapist or psychologist, and it does not require medication. Meds are just a bandaide for an underlying problem. In my professional opinion I would seek the advice of a good behavior therapist and work with him or her for a period of time where they can help you with your night sleep. The lucidity institute offers a device that monitors your dream states and can be very helpful for someone with your condition. Above all fear not and seek the help of a good behavior therapist and you will be fine and sleeping normally very soon. I do not know what country your posting from but if it is in the US there is a psych net online where you can usually find a good source to contact.

I am very sorry you are bothered with this condition, and unfortunately, I don’t have suggestions either.

However, I do find your description of it fascinating.

As an aside, many cases of alien abductions are believed to actually be night paralysis.

Been a long time since i read anything on this, but here goes nothing.

I believe that night tremors are partialy due to an underdeveloped nervous system. Not much you can do to fix that.

However, when you dream the mind paralyizes (sp?) the body to keep it from acting out its own dreams. I’ve seen footage of people whose brains don’t do this, it isn’t very pretty. They have to sleep in an all padded room and still wake up all bruised. For the paralysis to linger a little while after you wake is normal. The visions you see may just be lingering parts of the dream.

http://sleepdisorders.about.com/msubparalysis.htm?once=true&

What i would be concerned with is why you are being woken up so often and at such wierd times. If you can remember waking up and not being able to breathe, my WAG would be sleep apnea.

A condition where you stop breathing while you sleep and this wakes you up, so you fall back to sleep and stop breathing and this wakes you up, etc… A co-worker of mine has this condition and a sleep clinic (which i advise you to go to) said that in 8 hours of “sleep” he slept about 1 hour.

http://www.newtechpub.com/phantom/faq/osa_faq.htm

Are you asian or asian-american, because sleep apnea tends to be more common for some reason (they think its the jaw structure) in people of asian desent.

Good luck to you.

I’ve only had sleep paralysis happen once, but it sucked bad. I knew I was in my bed, and thought I was awake, but I heard movement and walking noises in the next room. Since I live alone, it was very terrifying. As I couldn’t move I muscle, I thought I was simply frozen with fear.

I’ve heard that if you focus on one part of your body, like fingers or toes, and try to make them twitch, this can break the spell. I’m definitely going to try that if I go through that again.

Once I woke up (or thought I did) when I heard some sound at my window (I lived in an efficiency apartment and had a small window about 10 feet from my bed). I looked over at my window, and saw it open, and then a little black humanoid (maybe 18 inches tall) steps through onto my windowsill. It was proportioned like the usual depictions of the gray aliens, but was shiny like black latex. It then turned to look at me and I was terrified. It pointed a little black cylinder at me and then I woke up.

I could see how experiences like that could lead people to believe in aliens.

This thread reminds me of a sleep problem I have, though far less disconcerting.

It would be a high jack to discuss here, so I created a thread on it.

Some of you might find it related/interesting:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=93805

I used to have night terrors. They were weird to say the least. Your description of them brought them back to me vividly. I eventually grew out of them at a younger age than you are now.

Unfortunately, I never grew out of the paralysis. I never had it affect me as you say it does you. Ever since I was a kid I was able to change my dreams or if unable to do that, to force myself awake. I used to have a lot of nightmares so I used this often. My paralysis kicks in after I force myself awake, I guess my brain doesn’t realize that I’m awake for awhile and doesn’t release my body for my use for a couple minutes.

Good luck in finding a solution, I think you should check out the sleep clinics for what its worth.

I get this almost every time I take a nap. ( Obviously I don’t go out of my way to take naps!). I’m usually laying in the hammock and reading, and I am overcome by sleep. I can usually hear the sounds of the wind, the birds and the roadway but my eyes are closed and I cannot move, and I’m in this weird fugue state of half-dreaming.

The dreams are almost always vividly frightening. The desire to flee OR fight is so huge and yet I’m almost always unable to move at all.

Man, does this sound familiar. I’m sorry you suffer them round the clock, you should contact a sleep disorder program as soon as you can. I’ve no clue which ones in the country are considered to be reputable, but that might give you some help. Good luck with it !

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Well, I’ve been to a few already. Admittedly it was for my mother’s sake (neither I nor the psychologist knew why I was sent to them), but I would bring up the issue with them. One, when I was younger yet still post-pubescent, said I would grow out of them. Hah. The other didn’t seem to care and would not talk about it, so I quit that one. No, they were not behaviour therapists but they would not even refer me to anybody who could help. I think I’m more inclined to go to a sleep clinic though.

Um, well, the two events are separate, the terrors and the paralyzation. It is not sleep apnea, nor is it night tremors. And I am of Anglo-Saxon descent. Good try though.

Yup, that’s what I have to do. Works, but is very mentally tiring. Doesn’t seem either that repetition makes your brain stronger. :confused:

I read in my psych book (no cite) that so-many percentage of children have terrors, which most parents believe are just bad nightmares, and grow out of them by puberty. And that parents should not pay extra attention to the terrors because they’ll go away eventually. And if they don’t go away, you’re stuck for life. Bleah. I really don’t want to have a heart attack from a friggin’ giant chicken in my closet. Embarrassin’. Except nobody’d know… Yes, I have to wake myself up from regular nightmares too rather often (sometimes the characters in the dream calm me down by saying I’m dreaming), and that often causes the paralysis. Too bad that is tiring and I fall back asleep and into the nightmare again due to it. I’m relatively calm with the paralysis except with bad allergies/colds like I have pretty much 96% of my life so far (no cite), and I can’t breathe. Yick.

So I guess I’ll get on my mum’s case for getting a sleep clinic called up. I have many other bad sleep problems other than these with fibromyalgia and some other stuff making it hard to sleep, plus I seem to be on a 32-hour circadian cycle (hard to test though at home), I’m nocturnal although will go to sleep quickly if put in sunlight/warmed/frozen/stuffed of food. :smiley: I like sleep. Except when terrors and paralyses and crap occurs. I’m sure they can help with at least one problem, which would be nice…

Toaster, I would contact any large university in your area. I know that the university I attended was associated with an area hospital and actually had its own Sleep Disorders Center. This stuff just fascinates me and fortunately it also fascinates people that have obtained large grants to study it. They may even be willing to help you out free of charge or at least at a major discount. Try U of U or something. Also, there is an American Academy of Sleep Science that might be able to steer you in the right direction.

I once experienced sleep paralysis and it was very freaky. I can’t imagine dealing with that on a regular basis. Get someone to help you out and be sure to let us know how it goes. :slight_smile:

Periodcally, I have night terrors as well as paralysis. They’re usually of the “world coming to an end” variety and interestingly they occur most often in the morning hours. One time I acutally made it out of my room, down the stairs and found myself shaking and cowering under the kitchen table before I realized what I was doing. Whenever I experience paralysis, I start to panic and that usually jolts me awake. I wish I could offer more than my empathy. Good luck.

These are two distict phenonmena, but may occur in the same person.

Sleep terror is consoidered to be a vivid nightmare in Stage 3 and (usually) Stage 4 sleep. During REM sleep, the somatic muscles are lax and paralyzed. Sleep paralysis during REM sleep is actually normal. What is abnormal is being “awake” during REM sleep, which seems to be the basis of sleep paralysis. I’ve experienced it a couple of times. It was initially frightening, except that I was rather clinical about it (being a neurologist already). At first I thought I woke up with a stroke, but then I thought about it rationally and concluded: “Hey, this is sleep paralysis! It’s pretty cool!”

I’ve experienced this for twelve years. I have had some freaky experiences, though never chickens. More of the ghost phenomenon, I’m afraid, is what I have had. It has also happened to many of my friends, as well as some of my immediate family.

I am also in Utah, and would be happy to discuss this stuff. I am kind of unfamiliar with how to get a hold of members on here. I hardly ever post.

Gwar