Yes.
Once the situation became one of name calling and threats of violence, absolutely yes, both groups were being assholes. And I think the school district failed by not finding a way to accommodate the opinions being expressed by both sides.
As for the rest of your post, let’s just say I disagree with your conclusions on immigration and the threat posed by those of Mexican origin or descent. But I appreciate you making it clear where you stand.
And, in my entire lifetimes as a Californian, knowing basically as many Latinos as white people, I have never once heard anyone seriously talk about the reconquista or anything along those lines. Not even at my university that is well known for its radical politics. Nobody but right wing scare mongerers care about an idea that was popular among a handful of college students in 1979. It’s just not a thing.
And even sven, great posts.
Of course you don’t have any idea. That’s because you’re playing fast and loose with the facts. And that’s after the intentional misleading thread title.
Well, why don’t you explain? I like dress codes for lots of reasons. One is that it would have avoided this nonsense.
As fas as the thread title, get over it. It’s just a thread title, that gives a short, quick indication of what is being discussed. If one is interested, they can click on it. Just like even you managed to do. Amazing, huh?
I lived in California for 15 years, until just recently. And while I don’t doubt your numbers, if you’re trying to create the impression that this 7% is beautifully woven into the multi-ethnic tapestry that makes up the state, I’d say you’re wrong. There are plenty of areas where you’d be hard-pressed to find a sign in English. They’re are people who have been there for 10 or 20 years and still can’t communicate in English. And I’m not just talking about elderly people. When kids are young enough to go through the school system, they do become bilingual, but many of those who came here just after that are perfectly fine living is Spanish-speakiing neighborhoods. For all practical purposes, they might as well be in Mexico.
Also, as I’m sure you know, this article was about the Mexican aspect specifically. It is but a subset, as you indicate, of the broader Hispanic population. Given that people from most of Central and South America share the Spanish language, you wind up with a conflation of nationalities. And it is not unreasonable that White Americans see that the culture they knew is slowly being replaced. I’m not of the mind that this is by itself a bad thing. It’s pretty much the story of America. But by our failure to secure the boarder after Reagan’s amnesty, we have suffered a flood of illegal immigrants. The size alone makes it more jarring for native Americans, and the accident that the cultures of so many of those coming in are so similar further exacerbates the problem. What I mean by that is, imagine if each country in South and Central America had their own language and cultures as distinct from one another as the European nations, there would not be the feeling of one big wave coming in to change the country from A to B.
What does this have to do with US citizenship? Cite for a correlation between not caring to speak the English language and being an illegal immigrant?
Also re: the bolded portion, isn’t that exactly even sven’s point?
I’m sure Native Americans wished they had secured the borders a looong time ago, and that the incursion they are most upset about has nothing to do with the U.S./Mex border.
Something similar was in the news not long ago.
Yes.
The judiciary in the US have lost their minds. Something has to be done.
It seems that under this rule students have freedom of speech so long as they don’t express that speech at times where that speech is most effective. What if we are in rural Mississippi where every day is “Traditional Marriage Day”? Can the school ban gay pride shirts at all times? Or could it ban speech lauding Martin Luther King on the grounds that the Ku Klux Klan might storm the school? Or if the Klan isn’t that active, do they need to be MORE active so the suppression of MLK favorable speeches is justified?
I think that your and Bricker’s reliance on the dicta in Tinker is misplaced. Yes, schools can ban student speech that is disruptive to the educational environment, but I think it is implicit that such a limitation means that the speech, or the speaker by his own actions disrupts the education environment, and not the unknown and unlawful reactions of his opponents. If that were the case, then the school board in Tinker could have simply said that children of Vietnam Vets were threatening violence at the school and could have lawfully restricted the arm bands.
And every other speech could be restricted as well: Students want to engage in speech by doing activity X. Their opponents claim that they will engage in violent activity Y if the first group of students do X. Therefore we will ban X.
Yes, that’s the way I see it. It’s very problematic. And as I wrote above, IANAL, but I too do not see this as being analogous to the Tinker case.
Interesting. A little ignorance fought there (mine).
why do mexican-american students in an ameirca school get to celebrate a mexican holiday?
It’s not a Mexican holiday. See above. As for why: because they want to. Do you bitch about your town’s St. Patrick’s Day parade?
For the record, I think Tinkler was wrongly decided: I would give public school officials almost complete discretion to regulate student speech. Little fuckers don’t have anything useful to say anyway.
I’m provisionally on the side of the jerky students here. Wearing shirts that promote the American flag on Cinco de Mayo ought to be protected speech, even if–especially if–I disagree with the message. It’s not threatening anyone, it’s not a symbol mainly associated with hate groups like the swastika is, it’s not directly insulting anyone or expressing a wish for suffering for them, it’s not promoting anything illegal or inappropriate for children.
Is it controversial? Yes, sure. But high school is a time when kids are thinking about issues, and that’s a good thing, not a bad thing. If there’s an argument, it can easily be an argument of substance, and that’s what teachers need to be encouraging.
It seems that in this case, restricting their free speech is more a matter of convenience than anything else, and that ought not be acceptable.
semantics. holiday, tradition, celebration, festival, i really do not care.
good for them. honestly. but don’t expect special consideration for something that is not a sanctioned US holiday.
i live in NYC. we have lots of parades. i’d never bitch about the st patricks day parade. i wouldnt bitch about a cinco de mayo parade either. nor the puerto rican day parade nor the dominican parade. but if you said people couldnt wear american flags on their shirt to any of those parades i would bitch.
i don’t agree with you to that extent. i think the kids who wanted to wear the USA flag t shirts are - probably - complete assholes. but when you get to the point that you won’t let someone wear a t shirt with the USA flag, in the USA, you’ve gone too far.
Read again, with the emphasis on Mexican, not holiday.