dude, i don’t care. you could have me read 100 articles, or 5, or 1. i don’t care. nothing is justification to outlaw wearing a US flag to school. and forget about the mexican american controversy. if a bunch of irish american kids wanted to do something to commemorate st patricks day, fine, but don’t expect any official recognition or sanction from the school, they shouldn’t get it.
You seem to have misunderstood the purpose of the forum (unless, perhaps, you are witnessing). You also seem to have completely misunderstood what happened in the incident under discussion (for which the OP might shoulder some blame.)
Apparently it has to be spelled out for you. It’s a Mexican-American holiday celebrating solidarity between our two countries during the civil war. Therefore protesting against it is not only anti-Mexican, it’s anti-American.
Would it be too much to ask you to just read this thread to find out what the rest of us are talking about?
ok
is it an officially recognized american holiday? no, right… ? therefor they can’t expect/demand censure and protection on behalf of the Board of education. it is absurd to think otherwise.
the solution would be to set up a policy that ANY group could petition for a day of special recognition and then go about granting groups the ability to do so. but for any group to expect such treatment, any individual group, is absurd.
BTW- I fully agree that the american kids are being assholes. but just because they are jerks doesn’t mean we throw logic out the window.
i think you are the one who misunderstands. i am all for the mexican american kids celebrating in whatever manner they see fit. i definitely think the kids wearing USA flags are assholes and doing it just to be antagonistic. that does not change, however, the idea that it is CRAZY to tell someone they can’t wear a t shirt to school with an americna flag on it.
Sure, but that’s just, like, your opinion, man, and it’s not based on any understanding of the bill of rights, or indeed any other law.
you’re right. i CLEARLY don’t understand what freedom of speech means. i THOUGHT it meant your freedom of expression could not be limited. remember all the responses in this thread (which you claim i haven’t read) about there is no “because” linked to expression.
Well, right, you don’t understand what freedom of speech, in the United States means, because your freedom can be limited in a variety of ways:
-No threats
-No libel or slander
-No fraud
-No incitement to riot
-No imminent danger
-Sort of no fighting words
and so on.
There’s also a limitation on speech in government facilities: speech that substantially disrupts government proceedings (for example, screaming at the judge during a trial, shouting at a teacher during a lesson) can be limited.
So if your point is just that free speech cannot be limited, then you’re very off-base.
Also, I’ve made no claims about whether you’ve read the thread.
show me how wearing a flag on your t shirt is:
- threat
- libel or slander
- fraud
- incitement to riot
- imminent danger
Why would I do that? You made a partial list of the ways in which free speech can be limited, leaving out others. How about if you’re genuinely confused, you give me the complete list and ask me to show how wearing a flag on your t-shirt can qualify under any of those restrictions.
However, if you’ve read the thread, there should be no such confusion.
If you’d read the thread, you would see that other limitations also apply to public school students. Until you read the thread, I’m not going to bother engaging with you again.
what?
that is your list. i dont understand how you are criticizing me for the incompleteness of a list that you supplied. i think you just don’t like the idea that some anglo kids were rude to some mexian american kids. i think that is the whole issues to you. correct me if i’m wrong, because maybe i am.
ah but they shouldn’t. unless the school has a dress code that says no t shirts, you can’t make a one off rule because they wear a t shirt you dont like. well, of course they can. but can and should are two different items.
No it’s not. You truncated the list I provided.
Yeah? Well, I think you just don’t like America and hate our freedoms. But then, maybe both of us are terrible at reading minds.
Only one of us is terrible at reading posts, however. In addition to truncating the list I provided, you apparently missed my very first contribution to the thread–a post you responded to earlier–so here it the relevant passage again.
oh truncated! such a big word. i left off:
“Sort of no fighting words” because sort of is ambiguous
and, we are in agreement, as i said:
i don’t agree with you to that extent. i think the kids who wanted to wear the USA flag t shirts are - probably - complete assholes. but when you get to the point that you won’t let someone wear a t shirt with the USA flag, in the USA, you’ve gone too far.
i am stressing the fact that a USA flag t shirt is silent protest and should NEVER be banned for ANY reason. not - silent - protest. remarks or actions behind that, sure, but not a shirt with the flag.
Have you read through the thread yet to get the answers you require?
nope
Trying to correct deliberate ignorance isn’t worth wasting my time over, then. When/if you can get past sounding like a bumper sticker I might be back.
so you’re telling me, whenever you log onto a thread on SDMB that is 3 pages long, you always read every single response before you type your own response?
look, i dont care what tinker said, i don’t care what some other court said, i don’t care what the the school board says or does, i don’t care that, as was pointed out, a flag could be used as a flag pin to express bigotry among an in group of people (i did read over the thread, i didn’t just read every single response) you can’t outlaw or criminalize the flag. well, apparently you can but as i said, can and should are separate items.