I’m impressed you could get an IRS agent anywhere near a tax return on a weekend.
Because it was used as a denigration by the person who brought it up.
Really? Because most of the people in NY I know come from other parts of America. From Alaska, to Florida, to Kansas, Texas and California and no, they are not all homosexuals who were driven out of the ‘real’ America. They are just people wanting to live the lives they want. And they are Americans. We don’t turn on backs on you. You fucking attack us and then claim victimhood. Suck my cock you self righteous asshole. Actually suck on the dildo that I pull out of my ass.
What is it that you folks have against butt plugs?
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Dude, he’s a New Yorker. So am I, and I tend to agree with him.
No need to pick it up and run with it.
Ex-New Yorker, actually. And zebra does have a point: no one can live the lives they want to outside New York unless they are (as I believe Mel Brooks called it) a white person who drives a white Ford station wagon and lives on mayonnaise-on-white sammiches and vanilla shakes. :rolleyes::dubious:
Besides, New Yorkers have not only a right, but a responsibility - to themselves at least - to tell the rest of us where to go.
You can take the man out of Brooklyn.
The example given in the OP sounds quite boring. Tableau vivant? I wouldn’t pay to attend a dance performance if it’s nothing but tableau vivant. That ain’t dance (by definition).
Now, if it’s New York transgressive performance art you want, the all-time classic is Kembra Pfahler’s “Wall of Vagina.” I’m not going to link to it, you’re on your own there.
Bwahahaha!
You people are truly cracking me up in this thread. Keep it up!! (Or in…)
Not at all. You’re reading things into my post that weren’t there. The man was a self-described illustrator and commercial artist who was uncomfortable with being called an “artist”. As I’ve already said (and as someone who grew up seeing his work on the covers of the SEP), I have always liked his work. Is it art? Dunno. Seems like a subjective term. Was he an artist? Not according to him, which would seem to be the definitive opinion. But please keep acting like an asshole on the subject. It suits you.
That’s quite understandable, given fine art included an “artist” (Manzoni) selling cans of his own shit to art collectors. (Didn’t MOMA have a can in its collection?).
Hey, everything’s art if it’s done with good taste.
There’s already an assistant professor of queer studies at some mediocre college writing a paper on the transgressive hermeneutics of walking down the street with a dildo up your business. So don’t go telling me it isn’t legitimate.
Yup, MoMA has one.
When comparing Rockwell’s “The Problem We All Live With” against Manzoni’s “Merda d’Artista”, the former used conventional technique to reach out and convey a significant message, while the latter did not use conventional technique and only asked the very self-reflexive question what is art and are art collectors and critics for real.
Since art is pretty much whatever a person says is art, it’s a bit silly to monkey about creating art for the purpose of asking if it is art, and only marginally less useless to create art for the purpose of making collectors and critics look like fools.
As far as an artist claiming to not be an artist, it’s really not that relevant. Once the art is out there in the world and becomes accepted as art, it matters not what the artist asserts with regard whether or not he or she believes himself or herself to be an artist. Rockwell is a painter. Atwood is a speculative fiction author. Jo Jo is both a performing musician and a painter. All regardless of Rockwell claiming not to be a painter, Atwood claiming not to be a speculative fiction author, and Jo Jo probably not having a clue as to what a performance musician or painter is.
There are only 90 cans of Merda d’artista, so if nothing else Manzoni can be praised for a level of self-restraint lacking in many, many other artists who crank out the same old shit year after year.
I should be so lucky as to get a job like that some day.
Why not address what I wrote instead of what you wished I would have. I made no “bold proclamation”, I said “IMO”. Saying they had no soul, IMO is the same as saying they didn’t move me.
I am an artist. I have had several successful shows and openings. I have taught art and have sold art internationally. I also worked for quite a few years as an illustrator and a graphic artist. None of that, however, makes my opinion about art more valid than yours. Art is subjective. But I do have an opinion as a maker of both kinds of art. And my opinion is that Rockwell was a talented draftsman, craftsman and illustrator - not a true artist.
Whoops, should have said “fine artist” rather than “painter”.