No, nothing barbaric about this (death penalty rant)

From CNN:

I admit it’s legal, and I admit it’s constitutional, to get those out of the way.

But the government of a state of the United States strapped a man down and ended his life in a way that is at least supposed to be humane and peaceful: that’s the selling point of lethal injection as opposed to the electric chair or the firing squad. Instead, the guy has some kind of a horrible reaction, spasms around, and dies of a heart attack.

And the governor’s office knows they need to lie about what happened, because to tell the truth might risk a loss of public support for the death penalty.

I’ve observed in debates here that while it’s not a certainty, it’s good evidence that when your opponents lie about the facts supporting their case, it’s because they know they have a shitty case.

The death penalty is a barbaric exercise of state power. And the ugliness of what happened here showcases the barbarity.

I personally don’t get this. At all. Not one bit. The death penalty doesn’t save the state any money and life in prison serves the same goal of preventing them from continuing their crimes, so obviously the sole purpose it could serve is deterrent - telling people “If you do this, this will happen to you”. And once we’re all on that page, why the hell would you make it civil or humane? Dunk them into a vat of acid slowly, feet-first. Break their arms and legs, force-feed them milk and honey until they’re fit to bursting, and string them up in a boat in a swamp until nature takes its savage, disturbing course. Bring back the iron maiden; challenge being that those who survive it the first time get to live. Get Jigsaw up in this, and put it all on national television. Assuming that we want the death penalty as it is right now, and given that as it currently stands, the only thing it is good for is a social deterrent (and it’s pretty shitty at that as well), let’s make people really not want to get that verdict. Fuck humanity, fuck civility, fuck peace. Fuck the inmates in the ass with a razorwire condom and leave them to bleed out, become infected, and die horribly. We already left those things behind when we decided that it’s a good idea to execute people to begin with.

(There. That’s a death penalty rant. Bricker, your civility is wonderful in GD and the like, but come on, this is the pit. Put some oomph into it!)

Is it? Doesn’t it violate the “cruel” in “cruel and unusual” if there is excessive, prolonged pain?

Yeah, I have to admit I knew a thread was coming from someone about this (I live in
Tulsa). Can we at least acknowledge that this guy raped and murdered someone?

That said, clearly we are kidding ourselves to assert that there is any humane, relatively painless way to execute someone. So the question remains - are some
crimes so horrific as to warrant the death penalty? Before this, I would have been
inclined to say yes. Now, now not nearly so much.

The next guy scheduled for execution, Charles Warner, raped and murdered his girlfriend’s 11-month-old daughter. Apparently he has never shown remorse for this.
What in the world can we do with people like this? It turns my stomach to refer to
him as ‘people’. Clearly world opinion is moving away from the death penalty. Are we
to feed, house and provide for ones such as these until they die of old age?

Bricker, I never thought I’d say this, but I agree with you. So there.

BPC - I think there was probably enough ranting going on in the OP’s reporting the circumstances of Lockett’s death. Anything added to that would only have detracted
from the awfulness of what happened.

Yep, we do. Not so much for them but for us.

No. They don’t deserve it and we have no obligation to them.

Yes, of course. To the best of my knowledge, no one is suggesting that he be freed from prison.

Yes.

Me too. Time to buy a lottery ticket.

At the very least, I expect governors to obey orders from their own supreme court. When this is not the case, anarchy rules. Oklahoma is an outlaw state and Mary Fallin is the don.

Yes, this is extremely troubling as well.

The guy I was referring to was Lockett - now dead of a heart attack.

I don’t understand this comment. What did the court order, that the state disobeyed?

I must stand corrected. constitutional crisis averted.

Capital punishment is what you get in the most backwards countries of Africa, the middle east and Asia. But experimenting with your death row inmates is too backwards even for a lot of those. The US is a strange country - it’s like a third world nation but with lots of money and a fantastic cultural and technological core.

Just feel I need to add (since I did not see it reported in the CNN story) that the local
news here reported that Lockett’s “vein exploded”.
Don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds horrible.

If not for death penalty opponents pressuring pharmacies into not making the established and humane lethal injection chemicals available, the states wouldn’t have to “experiment”.

Anti-death-penalty advocates are directly responsible for this and I hope they’re happy that they made a human being suffer needlessly in order to fulfill their ideological crusade.

Parody?

I suppose people who ran the Underground Railroad were responsible for the beatings suffered by captured runaway slaves.

I have yet to understand why there is such a fooraw over lethal injection. Why don’t we simply fire a single round into the base of the skull, right where the spine comes in? It would be totally painless; it would turn them off like a light switch. And I do believe that a .38 cartridge is a LOT cheaper than a batch of drugs.