I didn’t bring up John Brown. Septimus did.
Doesn’t answer my question, but whatever. I think American slavery was among the most monstrous things in history, equivalent to the Holocaust and Holodomor, and it’s morally acceptable (and even righteous!) to try and oppose such monstrosities with any means possible, including violence. Brown may have made some tactical mistakes, but his cause was as pure as possible, and he sacrificed his life for it, and that’s why he’s remembered.
To be fair, Nixon knew all those things.
Nixon had nothing remotely similar to Fox news.
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I know there is a lot going on with the current scandal but I want to focus on the inevitable.
We need to make sure that this doesn’t happen again. We need to prosecute Trump and his enablers. Not for vindication. To right the course of this country.
How do we take Trump’s ability to say “I pardon everyone who has ever been alone in a room with me.” away. I think it has to be more than individual states going after him.
290 Representatives, 67 Senators, and 38 state legislatures, to amend the Constitution - good luck with any of those, much less all of them.
Failing that, you can always track them down one by one, and arrest them on trumped-up I just noticed that… charges.
We need some legislation on candidates being require to provide certain information, including tax returns. I’m sure some other controls on political office can be suggested. Perhaps a federal law requiring government employees to use government email for business.
I think we need to think outside the box.
First of all, I don’t believe we need to change the constitution, not for this sordid shit.
My semi-facetious mention of Mitch McConnell is what I’m thinking. How do we play by the rules yet negate his veto power? We need to do this now, before he figures out that it is too late. Because very soon, I’m pretty sure, he is going to start issuing prophylactic pardons.
This will happen. It is kind of funny that Republicans say they stand for deregulation and then vote for someone like Trump. There are going to be a whole slew of new laws after all this shakes out.
One good way is to throw weight behind Warren - if you want someone who can come to office with a mandate of actually cleaning the slime from the swamp pumps (now that we’ve drained it, ha), she’s the candidate.
I believe that would need to be an amendment.
My prediction. Imagine, if you will that it becomes clear that, as with Nixon, he will be impeached and convicted. Twenty Republican senators realize that they don’t want to end up tarred with all the dirt that the investigation is turning up. Then Trump makes a deal with Pence that he will resign and Pence will pardon him. And Pence actually does it, despite Ford’s bad experience.
You heard it first here (or maybe you didn’t).
This what I would like to forestall. 
Any moment now…
Then this conclusively proves that Trump is not a Republican.
I don’t think you can.
Well,* I *can’t…
I guess to be more clear: I don’t think the dems can. I don’t think the people that would want this done have the political power necessary to accomplish it.
Do you think declaring a known mobster and foreign spy to be innocent of treason preemptively makes any sense at all? We may not “declare war” in the modern era, but we still authorize military action & we are fighting wars all the time. You don’t get to make treasonous acts acceptable by pretending the crime requires a formal “declaration of war”, when we call them “authorizations” now.